# Potions Explosions are hurting more than helping?
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [June 18, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824 "2019-06-18T01:35:22Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [July 24, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/41 "2019-07-24T02:01:00Z")
> [@Earnham](#):
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> ignorant
The solution to such an issue.
A.
[4.2.5, 4.3 + 4.3.5 Patch Notes (Nintendo Switch)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-2-5-4-3-4-3-5-patch-notes-nintendo-switch/56602)
B.
My bad… My math is based off skulls and Doom skulls on the board as well. By now I forgot that it can explode 9 gems but skulls and overlap I only think of it as 6 Mana gems. Experience has altered my perception that I forgot how it’s “intended” to work.
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### Author:  [@Earnham](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Earnham)
#### Post date: [July 24, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/42 "2019-07-24T02:10:47Z")
Potions may be there in the future, but are not in the faction event today. Probably because the event started before the patch was implemented.
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### Author:  [@CanyonSurfer](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CanyonSurfer)
#### Post date: [July 24, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/43 "2019-07-24T03:51:38Z")
It’s not a coincidence, imo. The boards were never that good before potions. This game has always trolled us, because frustrated people spend money, for whatever reason.
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### Author:  [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)
#### Post date: [July 24, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/44 "2019-07-24T04:03:03Z")
> [@Koromac](#):
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> Anyway, this Explosion thing should be replaced with the Enraged Perk for all four troops
That’s one way to save people some gems. The explosion potion gives mana and speeds up events there is no way I would want to trade that for something as bad as enrage. When I do events I always buy the first 2 tiers for those explosions even when I don’t need the sigils like faction events. 60 or 70 gems and the posibility of losing an extra turn is worth the time the explosions save. The mana is better than an extra turn in a lot of situations anyway. In my Orb team I would happily trade even 1 blue mana for a 4 match of red that I don’t use.
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### Author:  [@FeelTheBern](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/FeelTheBern)
#### Post date: [July 24, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/45 "2019-07-24T13:01:07Z")
And sometimes I get starting boards without extra turns even without explosion potions
NOT FAIR!!!
I demand full mana for my whole team immediately!!!
Devs do something!!!
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### Author:  [@akots](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/akots)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2019, 10:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/46 "2019-07-25T10:40:55Z")
> [@Slypenslyde](#):
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> Someone else can try to work that one out.
The math is very tedious here as all combinations have to be manually considered and coded in the model. Hence, the exact numbers and probabilities are sort of pointless. IMHO, your rough approximations are more or less accurate. I tried to do something similar, lost train of though as there are too many combinations and finally came up with something around 60% for explosions disrupting pre-existing 4+/5+ match possibilities. So, a number within that range from 50 to 60% seems to be reasonable. Keep in mind that addition of a few extra skulls or D-skulls after the explosions is going to cause additional disruption of possible 4+/5+ match possibilities. So, overall, there should be a significant decrease in 4+/5+ matches after the explosions, something in the range of 25% or more, hard to tell exactly as the math is really complex here. It is supposed to be compensated by some mana gathered as the result of explosions. However, the impact of this factor is even harder to approximate even remotely.
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### Author:  [@Doll](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doll)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2019, 11:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/47 "2019-07-25T11:09:30Z")
This is just my opinion on this but why not, if we do buy up to the Explode Potions that they don’t explode at the start of battle but only when we press a button (console) or click (PC). That would solve the problem with 4 or more in a row being taken away at the start and if we needed to use the Potions we can 😀 again just what i think 👍
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/48 "2019-07-25T18:04:44Z")
I love this idea, but it favors the player to such a degree I doubt we’ll ever see it.
But an option to “trigger” our potions when we _want_ during a fight rather than the current way they’re all just turn-one-activated could change the game in a great way. Gives the player more options during the player’s turn (and, potentially, different strategic choices. Consider the difference between such a system where a potion and a spell could occur in the same turn, for instance, versus a system where a player would have to choose “on this turn do l want a potion _or_ the spell l have charged…”)
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/49 "2019-07-25T23:15:53Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> A better approach might be to start 1000 explore battles instead, both with a standard team as well as a Sins of Maraj team that involves four Omen traits.
Until someone does this this whole thread is just feelings and observer bias imo.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/50 "2019-07-25T23:35:45Z")
> [@Fleg](#):
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> Until someone does this this whole thread is just feelings and observer bias imo.
I feel there’s an abundant bias to dismiss any observation as observation bias.
If that was always the case then there would never be any bugs in the game.
If anyone did waste the time gathering data. Nothing would change. It’s a fools errand. The devs are fully aware of what the Potion Explosions do or do not do.
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### Author:  [@Doll](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Doll)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2019, 4:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/51 "2019-07-26T04:16:29Z")
Thank you 😀
I’ve always thought it should be that way, with explode Potions like if you get all your extra turns at the start ‘then’ you can use it 👍
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### Author:  [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2019, 8:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/52 "2019-07-26T08:42:04Z")
> [@awryan](#):
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> The devs are fully aware of what the Potion Explosions do or do not do.
Wait, are we talking about the devs that only became fully aware of a bug in PvP power score handling after several years of complaints? 🤨
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/53 "2019-07-26T13:44:49Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> Wait, are we talking about the devs that only became fully aware of a bug in PvP power score handling after several years of complaints?
Aware of what? You are welcome to show me where they admitted it was bugged. But essentially, they made a change that wasn’t properly tested with 3.4 and finally got around to fixing it after massive amounts of outcry a few weeks ago.
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### Author:  [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/54 "2019-07-26T14:17:24Z")
> [@awryan](#):
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> Aware of what? You are welcome to show me where they admitted it was bugged.
> [@4.4 Update Preview Discussion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/4-4-update-preview-discussion/55652/75):
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> Take for example, this PvP issue
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> - We implemented a feature to add Hero Power to Team Score
> - A bug was uncovered and fixed with Team Score calculations while that was being done
Not sure about the details of the bug, I think it was about power scores of defense teams not matching power scores of attacking teams, even when set up entirely the same.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/55 "2019-07-26T14:30:33Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> Not sure about the details of the bug, I think it was about power scores of defense teams not matching power scores of attacking teams, even when set up entirely the same.
You’ll have to dig but Sirrian said somewhere that the change caused a bug after 3.4 that he fixed before we saw it. Good luck.
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### Author:  [@HONUSDAN](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HONUSDAN)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/potions-explosions-are-hurting-more-than-helping/55824/56 "2019-07-27T01:39:09Z")
I knew I wasn’t going to have a lot of time to play the delve event today so I only purchased the 1st tier. I played the first 90 levels in just under 90 min. I played every room in every level. That’s about 11 min per level. It felt like I got my mana up faster without the explosions. I won many on 1st or 2nd turn. How does that compare to what you did with start-of-game explosions.
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