# Possible hacking/cheating on pc **URL:** \ **Category:** Support\ **Created:** [June 22, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736 "2016-06-22T19:28:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/21 "2016-06-22T20:51:10Z")
> [@yonizaf](#): > > Yes, it is. There are over 20K active players, and it is technically impossible for more than 1000 players to be in the top 1000, that means only 5% of players can ever get into top 1000, and 0.5% for top 100. Absolutely true. But it is not necessarily the same 1000 players every time. What are you suggesting, that everyone should get the equivalent of a participation trophy? That makes the concept of a leaderboard meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/22 "2016-06-22T20:54:57Z")
At present, #100 is 5842 points. If you have a strong team, and you don’t dally at all, you can clear 20-25 wins per hour. Averaging around 40 points a win (rough estimate by comparing total points / total wins of a handful of players, ranging from 37 ppw to 44 ppw), that is 800-1000 points per hour, call it 900. To reach 5842 would take 6.5 hours over the course of 2.5 days so far, or about 2.5 hours a day. Hours per day is likely to go up on weekend as well. I have no way of checking to see how many points the person in 1000th place has to compare. ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/23 "2016-06-22T21:07:04Z")
> [@Shiratori](#): > > it’s not “impossible” for any 1 person to do so. If someone doesn’t have the free time, then it’s impossible for them. The top 1000 is roughly “the 5% who has the most free time”, so if you take any one person at random, there’s 95% chance that they don’t have the free time needed, so that’s 95% chance it’s indeed impossible for the random person you happen to answer to. > [@RiverSong](#): > > What are you suggesting, that everyone should get the equivalent of a participation trophy? I wasn’t suggesting anything. Someone claimed it was impossible to get into the top 1000, someone else claimed it wasn’t, I was replaying to that, nothing more. If you do want my opinion though, I do believe there’s room to expand the tier system further, adding higher milestones for rewards at certain amount of points. Not necessarily every 100 points as it is now, but at growing distances. For example, you could get a reward when getting to 2000 points, then at 2500, 3000, 4000, 6000 and so on. This will give people the motivation to keep going after reaching “tier 1”, even if they don’t believe they can get into top 1000. ---
**Author:** ![pell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/67e7ee/32.png) [@pell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/pell)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/24 "2016-06-22T21:10:36Z")
For those of us that have the time and want to dedicate it, there are the ranking rewards. For those of us that play on the side, there are the tier rewards. If those of us that didn’t play as much got all the rewards, what would the reward be for those that invest exponentially more time? And if there was a new reward system set up, it would only be a matter of minutes for us that don’t play as much to cry foul yet again. ---
**Author:** ![Athilias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Athilias](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Athilias)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/25 "2016-06-22T21:22:46Z")
> [@yonizaf](#): > > Yes, it is. There are over 20K active players, and it is technically impossible for more than 1000 players to be in the top 1000, that means only 5% of players can ever get into top 1000, and 0.5% for top 100. > > Saying you made top 100 ‘just’ by doing something or other, you should realize it’s not as easy as you make it to be simply by the fact that only 0.5% are able to do the same, which means the other 99.5% don’t have the amount of free time you do, or the phone, or the troops, so they can’t ‘just do the same’. And even if they all could, that won’t really get all of them to top 100, instead it would send you to rank 10K or so, since you’ll have more competitors for the same 100 places. > > In short, the fact that you made top 100 does not prove it possible for other people - on the contrary, the only reason you could get to top 100 with just this much effort, is because for most other people it is indeed impossible. Except everyone is not going to be trying to get into the top 100 at the same time as you. I was level 74 last week when I decided I’d try to get into the top 100, and that was on Wednesday Night I decided I try. I made it to the top 100 by Saturday morning, just playing in my free time, and putting in about 2/3 hours at home. Now I know not everyone has those 2 or 3 hours, but it took me all of 3.5 days to get there, and I’m lower rank. It’s perfectly possible, so long as you have a levelled, good deck (like goblins or knights with knight of coronet). Just because there’s 20,000 players, doesn’t mean there’s 20,000 players actively trying to get top 100. I’d probably there’s a decent amount of people in the top 100 that weren’t really gunning for trying to get there. ---
**Author:** ![Sidousai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sidousai/32/604_2.png) [@Sidousai](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sidousai)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/26 "2016-06-22T21:32:59Z")
I don’t see the point of thread anymore. Seeing that it is no longer about cheating/hacking, but about how much time people play this game. Honestly, the simple fact is that however much time total strangers devote to playing a game is really none of anyone’s business, nor is it the devs’, for that matter. So if there’s really an issue here, then the problem is rooted in real life. Go QQ to your parents on why they didn’t work harder when they were young, so that you weren’t born rich and able to sit around your ass all day playing game. As for the rest of the little people like me, I’m going to get ready for work, and maybe squeeze in some time for a quick battles or two in GoW. Good day Sirs~ ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/27 "2016-06-22T21:47:08Z")
> [@pell](#): > > If those of us that didn’t play as much got all the rewards, what would the reward be for those that invest exponentially more time? You’re right in theory, but there’s room for improvement. Say I got to tier 1, that’s around 2000 points. I know top 1000 is over 10K points, and I have no chance to get there. What will keep me playing PvP? If I triple my effort and get 6000 points, where’s my reward for that? I believe the gap between tier and rank rewards is currently too big, and my suggestion above should help making it smaller. > [@pell](#): > > it would only be a matter of minutes for us that don’t play as much to cry foul yet again. Sure, some people will always cry, and there’s nothing you can do about it, but that doesn’t mean you can just ignore everyone. Some complaints may actually be justified, and some ideas can actually improve the game. I don’t want to think what the game would look like if the devs ignored feedback because “people will always complain anyway”. > [@Athilias](#): > > Just because there’s 20,000 players, doesn’t mean there’s 20,000 players actively trying to get top 100. Obviously. But that doesn’t mean they don’t **want** to get there, just that they may have realized it’s impossible for them, and don’t want to fight a futile battle. > [@Athilias](#): > > I’d probably there’s a decent amount of people in the top 100 that weren’t really gunning for trying to get there. I find that very hard to believe. What were these people aiming for, then? After you get to tier 1, there’s no value to PvP points by themselves. Why would anyone keep playing ranked rewards so much, if not in effort to reach as higher rank as possible? ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/28 "2016-06-22T21:48:38Z")
if i see more than 400 games in the first hour of the first day of the week, then i would call hacks. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/29 "2016-06-22T21:55:49Z")
> [@yonizaf](#): > > I find that very hard to believe. What were these people aiming for, then? After you get to tier 1, there’s no value to PvP points by themselves. Why would anyone keep playing ranked rewards so much, if not in effort to reach as higher rank as possible? The gold. That’s all the reward I really need since that gold can then go into kingdom leveling and guild tasks which then can also get me Keys and Gems (and Maps and Souls too). There is no single greater source of Gold in this game than fighting on PvP. So yes, my casual playing got me into the top 100, but I was playing for the gold. This apparently is something that gets overlooked when people talk about the ranking and end of week prizes. The fact that you do in fact get a reward with each match completed. And that reward can be turned into so much more. ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/30 "2016-06-22T22:06:17Z")
If you’re only looking for gold, it’s much more efficient to fight the ‘easy’ battles, since the different in gold between the easy and hard choices is usually very small, but the difference in difficulty is much more significant (thus time spent and chance of losing). For that reason, anyone who mainly targets gold is highly unlikely to get near the top 100. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/31 "2016-06-22T22:13:34Z")
On most of my matches, the difference between easy and hard averages about 1000 so no it’s not more efficient to fight the easy battles. Those troops don’t usually differ from the “hard” ones all that much and the time savings certainly isn’t enough to warrant running those. And I guess I’m no one then since gold was my target for last week and I ended up finishing 53. And with that, like @ctu1208 mentioned, this thread has drifted way off topic so I am departing it as well. ---
**Author:** ![gogo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@gogo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/gogo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/32 "2016-06-22T23:10:23Z")
Back on topic, maybe if @Sirrian isn’t too busy he could simply check for signs of foul play to put some minds at ease? 👮 ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/33 "2016-06-23T00:41:49Z")
They do check. There was a kerfuffle last week about a guild called “Swen Giba” that was botting their way up the leaderboards. Once alerted to that, the devs put a new check in place to catch that behavior in the future. If the devs checked for cheating every time someone asked about it, nothing would ever get done. ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736/34 "2016-06-23T01:40:18Z")
Also worth mentioning that just because the devs might not reply to these threads on the forums, doesn’t mean they haven’t checked just in case. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/possible-hacking-cheating-on-pc/8736.md?page=1)