# POLL: Random Gem Spawners **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [June 29, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664 "2017-06-29T22:23:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Strawnyy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/strawnyy/32/30688_2.png) [@Strawnyy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strawnyy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/61 "2017-07-12T02:45:03Z")
Before it was pretty viable, all it needed was a little tweak šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Macawi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/macawi/32/21289_2.png) [@Macawi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Macawi)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/62 "2017-07-12T02:45:43Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > this combo breaker is working as intended, and how Sirrian outlined in February, on PC and Mobile. Now Iā€™m thoroughly confused. Sirrian specifically stated last March that the combo breaker will be turned _off_ as players progress pvp ranks. > [@As suspected turning off combo breaker was a terrible idea](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/as-suspected-turning-off-combo-breaker-was-a-terrible-idea/4448/6): > > As we move to a PvP ladder in 2.0, we DO need to have combo-breaker gradually turn off (as players progress ranks). Otherwise people are competing unevenly on the ladder. Keep in mind that turning off the combo-breaker is only allowing the AI to get the same lucky drops that you already have! ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/63 "2017-07-12T02:49:48Z")
Two different combo breakers. One stops excessive looping from the AI and player, which is the one we were discussing above. The second one stops the AI from getting as many cascades as the player. This gradually decreases as you progress through the PVP ranks, making the chance of getting lucky more even between the player and the AI. Please be aware that there is a difference with these between our platforms at the moment. By the time Mobile and Console receive the new update, everyone will be on the same playing field and there will be more consistency. ---
**Author:** ![Versheenah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/versheenah/32/28272_2.png) [@Versheenah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Versheenah)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/64 "2017-07-12T02:59:08Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > Some players will see any luck against them as cheating, not as RNG or luck. Yeah, and you kinda cemented that with this algorithm. > [@Saltypatra](#): > > how to make the game better and more enjoyable Uhmā€¦ That is good. Only in this case it didnā€™t work that way. Kinda the opposite actually. > [@Saltypatra](#): > > we are reading your responses and are hard at work doing what we can. Thank you! And please consider introducing difficulty to ranked pvp for more points/gold/trophies for those few who want the nightmare mode. So that the rest of us can enjoy the game again. Also I want to say that Iā€™m sorry for what you have to go through right now, Salty! And for my part in it. Iā€™m very upset and Iā€™m not expressing it in a plesant way. Please get enough sleep and rest. Weā€™ll wait. ---
**Author:** ![Strawnyy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/strawnyy/32/30688_2.png) [@Strawnyy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strawnyy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/65 "2017-07-12T03:02:52Z")
And wonā€™t be so broken right? šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 5:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/66 "2017-07-12T05:17:27Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > One stops excessive looping from the AI and player, which is the one we were discussing above. [This one?](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-often-are-you-running-into-the-super-lucky-opponents/20082/108) (thanks @Mithran for finding it) Loop breaker? > [@Saltypatra](#): > > The second one stops the AI from getting as many cascades as the player. This gradually decreases as you progress through the PVP ranks, making the chance of getting lucky more even between the player and the AI. Cascade breaker? So these unfair battles (ie advantage for the player) are only ~30 first battles (ie attain PVP Rank 1) in the week? After that, the battles are completely fair? ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 8:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/67 "2017-07-12T08:25:23Z")
@Saltypatra if the loop mut be broken after up to 6 turns, how about adding a visible countdown for players to know when the 6 turns tick, and how about remove the fancy ā€œLoop breakerā€ playing with a ā€œbreak chanceā€ all together and just re-make it so that it force-break after 6 turns? so we would have even play field all the time with just one extra rule that 6 turns is max for looping gem creators i prefer clear rules then a % chances going behind the scenes, rules behind the scenes that additionally are ever-changing are unfair and bad solution for a supposedly ā€œStrategyā€ game! ---
**Author:** ![Versheenah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/versheenah/32/28272_2.png) [@Versheenah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Versheenah)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 12:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/68 "2017-07-12T12:34:53Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > The second one stops the AI from getting as many cascades as the player. But doesnā€™t that undermine your attempt to increase difficulty? Not to mention that this is unfair for the AI. It has to have the same chances as the player. Because right now no battles I win are real victories. The game is rigged! And this combo breaker after 5 turns? I have it triggering on my first turn! Is this bad luck or ā€œbad luckā€? Why canā€™t we have the true RNG again? Or at the VERY least give as a turn counter to combo breaker trigger, like @Annaerith said. The true RNG is better tho. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/69 "2017-07-13T23:40:31Z")
> [@Versheenah](#): > > Not to mention that this is unfair for the AI. It has to have the same chances as the player. Because right now no battles I win are real victories. The game is rigged! The cascade breaker should be off as soon as you are rank 1 in PVP (gradually in fact). There was a bug before the 3.0.5 which resulted in an advantage for the player: > [@Concerned For The Future Of The Game](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/concerned-for-the-future-of-the-game/26591/95): > > we realised that there was a bug in this code, causing the AI to only be allowed a small percentage of the playerā€™s luck We still didnā€™t have any details about this cascade breakerā€¦ Iā€™m not sure the difference between 3.0 and 3.0.5 is only due to the correction of this bug. In all cases, it means that devs can well manipulate the board (ie gem drop) as they wantā€¦ I believe that there is also a bug with the loop breaker which triggers too earlyā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/70 "2017-07-14T00:01:14Z")
> [@Versheenah](#): > > And please consider introducing difficulty to ranked pvp for more points/gold/trophies for those few who want the nightmare mode. Sorry, but I dont understand. I have about 250 invades this week with only 10 losses in PvP. Do you call this nightmare mode? ---
**Author:** ![Versheenah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/versheenah/32/28272_2.png) [@Versheenah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Versheenah)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 1:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/71 "2017-07-14T01:15:18Z")
> [@turintuor](#): > > The cascade breaker should be off as soon as you are rank 1 in PVP But before that the game is rigged. This is not okay! > [@turintuor](#): > > it means that devs can well manipulate the board (ie gem drop) as they wantā€¦ Yes, and thatā€™s cheating! Regardless of whoeveā€™r side the devsā€™ ā€œluckā€ is on. I just donā€™t understand why go through all that trouble to write a cheating code when RNG is easier and fair. ---
**Author:** ![Versheenah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/versheenah/32/28272_2.png) [@Versheenah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Versheenah)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/72 "2017-07-14T01:19:03Z")
I call ranked PvP at Warlord III difficulty a nightmare mode.Which isnā€™t available atm so no one can pley it. What I meant is that if the devs wanted to make ranked pvp more challenging they could introduce difficulty to it and make it worth more gold and trophies. There are so many ways to make the game better without resorting to the cheating fake RNG. Iā€™m forever bitter about it. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 3:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/73 "2017-07-14T03:55:06Z")
Iā€™m sorry to hear that you feel that way @Versheenah, but structuring our AI and RNG this way brings more enjoyment for players at lower levels. It also gives new players time to understand our game before increasing the difficulty. As I have said before we are still reviewing everything and working on making the gameplay experience as pleasurable as possible to a majority of the player base. ---
**Author:** ![mraider94](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mraider94/32/21939_2.png) [@mraider94](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mraider94)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 4:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/74 "2017-07-14T04:33:30Z")
Here is an idea. After so many extra turns with a spawner, the gems explode for say 50% mana instead of giving an extra turn, that way you still get some of what you paid for without giving it all to the enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Versheenah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/versheenah/32/28272_2.png) [@Versheenah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Versheenah)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/75 "2017-07-14T06:35:36Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > structuring our AI and RNG this way brings more enjoyment for players at lower levels Are you sure? Have you asked? Can you do a poll by sending players ingame mail? Do new and lower level players even _know_ that thereā€™s a cheating algorithm if they donā€™t read the forums? Do you say it right away in the tutorial that the gems donā€™t fall randomly because the game manipulates them? > [@Saltypatra](#): > > It also gives new players time to understand our game before increasing the difficulty. Eh, as far as I remember one had to _unlock_ a new level of difficulty by leveling up. That gave _plenty_ of time to understand how things worked. Has that changed? O\_o > [@Saltypatra](#): > > reviewing everything and working on making the gameplay experience as pleasurable as possible to a majority of the player base. This gives me some hope at least. Not much of it but some. ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/76 "2017-07-14T06:43:34Z")
@Versheenah, unfortunately, we cannot implement a lot of your suggestions. Our game isnā€™t set up in a way that will let us send out polls to every new player, and some players would see it as inappropriate even if we could. The truest experience of even odds is in Ranked PVP and Guild Wars, as I have said before. I have been as transparent as possible regarding our AI, RNG and any changes to them. The changes that we have implemented have made the game fairer in Ranked PVP and Guild Wars. While you might want the game to behave this way at all times, a large amount of players do not, as they feel this isnā€™t a fun game experience. We need to take into account many different points of view when we make changes. Yes, you can unlock difficulty levels as you level, but these are only to do with the opponentā€™s stats. The game eases you in, as there is a lot that to learn when someone starts playing Gems of War for the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Versheenah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/versheenah/32/28272_2.png) [@Versheenah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Versheenah)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/77 "2017-07-14T06:57:28Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#): > > Our game isnā€™t set up in a way that will let us send out polls to every new player Okay, but donthey _know_ about the gem spawing nerf and about the cascade thing? Do you _warn_ them of this things _ingame_? During the tutorial? Because id thatā€™s your rules those are things new players should know about. > [@Saltypatra](#): > > The truest experience of even odds is in Ranked PVP and Guild Wars See, I donā€™t believe it. I play pvp and gw all the time. And I had Kraken and Elemaugrim miss consistently on their very first turn with 15+ gems of their color on the board. It happened so often that I had to give up Kraken entirely and I only ever use El for his traits or as a last resort (and miss and lose when I do). This new wargare totem card that you prompt to use in pvp for bonus stones? Super unreliable. I will never have it in any of my teams again once this week is over. In fact I will never use many cards I used to love. And Iā€™m not the only one who feels that way. This is not fun at all. ---
**Author:** ![Versheenah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/versheenah/32/28272_2.png) [@Versheenah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Versheenah)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 7:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/78 "2017-07-14T07:02:18Z")
> [@mraider94](#): > > After so many extra turns with a spawner, the gems explode for say 50% mana instead of giving an extra turn, that way you still get some of what you paid for without giving it all to the enemy. @Saltypatra can you at least consider this idea? So that the playerā€™s gem spawners wouldnā€™t work for the enemy? ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 7:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/79 "2017-07-14T07:02:19Z")
@Versheenah, I have done my best to answer your questions as thoroughly as I can. Unfortunately, there is nothing else that I can say. To reiterate my point from earlier, we are looking into things and doing our best. We are always looking at ways to make te gameplay experience as pleasurable as possible, which is why we have been putting so much thought into our further changes. ---
**Author:** ![Versheenah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/versheenah/32/28272_2.png) [@Versheenah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Versheenah)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 7:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/80 "2017-07-14T07:03:09Z")
@Saltypatra no you havenā€™t! Does the tutorial warn new players that the game manipulates the board??? Does it warn them _how_ these manipulations work? [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664.md?page=5)