# Please change Treasure Gnome rewards
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308
**Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback
**Created:** [June 20, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308 "2018-06-20T22:00:29Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/1 "2018-06-20T22:00:29Z")
Please remove the bad rewards (souls and stones) and give us ingots instead
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/2 "2018-06-20T22:04:44Z")
Also please add a 100,000,000,000 soul reward plus also 50,000 traitstones, what we get is a pittance and I get really impatient if it takes longer than a week to max something out.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/3 "2018-06-20T22:05:43Z")
I just said remove souls đ
I donât know why you react like this
Giving commun ingots wouldnât break the game and would be more usefull than souls and stones but itâs ok feel free to troll the thread cause you donât like the idea
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### Author:  [@RedRoseWarrior](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RedRoseWarrior)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/4 "2018-06-20T22:18:36Z")
Souls are great to have in the gnome drops
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### Author:  [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/5 "2018-06-20T22:20:02Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#):
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> Giving commun ingots wouldnât break the game and would be more usefull than souls
Actually, common ingots are worth around -10 souls, whereas 100 souls is +100 souls. A common ingot drop would be the new lowest drop if it was added to their drop table.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/6 "2018-06-20T22:20:23Z")
Lol yeah 100 soul so usefull when you can get 1000 in 1 pvp battle
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/7 "2018-06-20T22:21:04Z")
@Tacet i would still prefer ingots đ
I would agree with you if i could change
My soul for common ingots but unfortunately it doesnât work like this
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### Author:  [@Elarcadia](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Elarcadia)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/8 "2018-06-20T22:37:09Z")
Iâd be cool with leaving the souls, and maybe adding ingots. I also donât like getting the minor trait stones, souls,etc. BUT Iâve always looked at the Vault/treasure gnomes as a gamble, and getting rid of the bad rewards would ruin the whole âwill I get a great drop or will I get a bad oneâ fun of the gnome drops :).
Thereâs nothing like waking up in the morning and, opening a Vault key and getting 2 minor trait stones, 2500 hundred gold, 100 souls, and a Major Orb of ChaosâŚwhich turns out to be a Major Orb of Growth đ
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### Author:  [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/9 "2018-06-20T22:40:05Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#):
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> Please remove the bad rewards (souls and stones) and give us ingots instead
They are only âbadâ for 1% (or less) of players.
This request should be âPlease add Ingots to the drop pool in the Gnome Vault, and THâ
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/10 "2018-06-20T22:41:49Z")
> [@Strat](#):
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> This request should be âPlease add Ingots to the drop pool in the Gnome Vault, and THâ
Lol i will just forget, last time i asked a gnome change it was a disaster đ
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### Author:  [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/11 "2018-06-20T23:10:58Z")
> [@Strat](#):
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> They are only âbadâ for 1% (or less) of players.
Minor stones are bad for everyone. Through the games easiest reward systems, before gnomes existed, you are given enough minor stones such that they will _never_ bottleneck you on traiting something unless you craft them into other types. Crafting them into majors is a waste, since majors reach a worthless state before minors, and crafting them into a single runic requires 21 minors and **900** souls. The time differential between farming any stone that _would_ bottleneck someone (runic or above) and farming the souls (and in the case of arcanes, celestials) while attempting to farm the stones is greater than just farming the stone itself with a faster team. Therefore, regardless of how many minor stones you are obtaining, the only time you ever _should_ use minors to craft into runics is if you are at the soul wall (complete with dawnbringer), you have too many minors, and somehow you are still bottlenecked by runics but not arcanes - something that would happen pre 2.1.0, but is really no longer applicable considering how long ago 2.1.0 was. Since these extra sources of minor stones donât really feed into anything that isnât more costly than just getting it outright, and we had âenoughâ starting in 2.1.0, they are functional null drops for anything that rewards them that was added post patch 2.1.0. This is doubly true in 3.5 now that you can no longer âcherry pickâ the first and second traits of troops for kingdom progression and avoid using runics and arcanes for as long as possible, where before you could make an argument that frontloading traits allowed a _slight_ amount of time saving on kingdom progression at the very early stages that is no longer possible.
Ingots, on the other hand, while extremely an extremely fractional gain (a common ingot being worth 1/10,000th of a legendary and 1/100,000th of a mythic ingot) will move your bar forward some. The amount of souls you need to upgrade ingots is relatively minor unless ingots start _flooding_ in through non-battle sources, since each battle gives a minor amount of souls, usually enough to cover the ingot upgrade cost _without_ using a soul generator by the time youâve collected enough to upgrade.
Minors being replaced with common Ingots wouldnât really hurt anybody, but it wouldnât really help much either, as honestly pretty close to zeros in the grand scheme of thing, but an ingot would âfeelâ better to something I know is carefully calculated to be a zero and not help anybody in even the slightest way. A ârandomâ ingot, weighted like drops are, would be still be pretty close to zero but would âfeelâ better IMO (mostly because the weapon upgrade system doesnât look âfinishableâ at the moment). Replacing souls would be a wash to some people, positive to some, and negative to others, but minor stones can definitely go.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/12 "2018-06-20T23:15:51Z")
Maybe give 2 or 3 common ingots if people feel 1 is close to 0
Or add common ingots in gold chest pool
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### Author:  [@platinumpwnzor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/platinumpwnzor)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/13 "2018-06-20T23:24:58Z")
All of this. Replace minor traitstones with ingots, add common and rare ingots to gold/glory chests, and add the more valuable ingots to treasure map green/red/vault chests.
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### Author:  [@Mekkalyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mekkalyn)
#### Post date: [June 20, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/14 "2018-06-20T23:30:56Z")
How do you get 1,000 in pvp battle? Because I still need souls. 800,000 away from that OP weapon, and still missing a lot of hero levels.
All the teams Iâve seen for farming explore would not work in pvp and only give like 450 per match on warlord 2 difficulty, which can be done about 2-3 per minute for me.
I want to farm pvp for hero xp and only getting 100 souls (with no necromancy traits) isnât nearly enough to make a dent in anything.
Off topic, sorry!
I actually like the souls in the drops. I think it helps those that arenât at end game, especially early to mid players. I was late game but my over a year long break essentially pushed me back to mid game⌠so I enjoy getting souls.
It would be cool to see some ingots drop in addition, so youâd be getting souls and gold less perhaps. Could add all of the rarities (obviously at an appropriate drop chance) and perhaps commons would come in a 2 or 3 pack.
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2018, 2:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/15 "2018-06-21T02:28:36Z")
> [@Mekkalyn](#):
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> How do you get 1,000 in pvp battle? Because I still need souls. 800,000 away from that OP weapon, and still missing a lot of hero levels.
Top-end farming uses multiple Pharos-Ra. I donât have multiples, but I wouldnât be surprised to find the math tells me 1k+ souls per battle is possible. But unless youâre incredibly lucky, youâll probably have Dawnbringer way before you get multiple Pharos-Ra. Which is a good thing: then you can spend your resources on a more generally useful mythic.
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### Author:  [@BZZZT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BZZZT)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/16 "2018-06-21T02:43:02Z")
Can you send me your minor stones? I keep running out and almost have no majors left to craft minors with.
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### Author:  [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2018, 2:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/17 "2018-06-21T02:58:14Z")
Pick what you need
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### Author:  [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2018, 6:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/18 "2018-06-21T06:47:19Z")
> [@Slypenslyde](#):
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> Also please add a 100,000,000,000 soul reward plus also 50,000 traitstones, what we get is a pittance and I get really impatient if it takes longer than a week to max something out.
Itâs not like gnomes appear in every 2 or 3 battles they are still pretty rare. Even if common ingots was all gnomes could drop and if they dropped 10 at a time it would still be impossible to max out everything in a week.
This would be good for people that donât do pvp then at least they would have a chance at getting ingots when doing explore.
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### Author:  [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2018, 10:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/19 "2018-06-21T10:39:57Z")
> [@Elarcadia](#):
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> Thereâs nothing like waking up in the morning and, opening a Vault key and getting 2 minor trait stones, 2500 hundred gold, 100 souls, and a Major Orb of ChaosâŚwhich turns out to be a Major Orb of Growth đ
Lucky you, my vault contained the same, just without the âMajorâ attached to the Orb of Chaos. đ¤¨
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-change-treasure-gnome-rewards/41308/20 "2018-06-21T12:55:48Z")
I saw 6 gnomes yesterday and tend to see 15-20 in casual play during events. I donât even want to know how many the person I know who has a mythic ingot saw.
Personally, my favorite gnome reward is the diamonds. Even getting 10 bonus diamonds in a day feels great.
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