# Petition/Vote to permanently change the gnome rate to the prior vault event rate **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [August 8, 2020, 4:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314 "2020-08-08T04:28:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Matt91080](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/edb3f5/32.png) [@Matt91080](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Matt91080)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 4:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/1 "2020-08-08T04:28:09Z")
This vault event has been absolute trash, to put it mildly. The rate of gnomes is way worse than it’s ever been, and the rewards are pathetic. I don’t expect vault keys everytime, but come on… 100 souls, minor traitstones, 2500 gold. Maybe it’s just me having horrible luck, but I highly doubt it. Every player I talked to was satisfied and happy with the special vault event for the 5.0 update. The rewards were decent and the gnome rate was exactly where it should be for everyone’s favorite event. I vote to change it back to that. This current vault event just infuriates me, and that shouldn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 5:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/2 "2020-08-08T05:22:37Z")
My thoughts remain largely the same as from this thread: > [@Please make every gnome weekend the same rate as this past one](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/please-make-every-gnome-weekend-the-same-rate-as-this-past-one/64899/3): > > For me, it’s really just the Pet Gnome rate that needs to stay high. > > I’d actually prefer if the Vault Weekend rate wasn’t inflated so much, since it disproportionately favours players who can spend a lot of time playing in that period, which then needs to be accounted for by the Devs in the game economy. > > I don’t always have the time to grind, e.g. this last weekend, but still want to be able to stay _somewhat_ relevant through regular play throughout the week. > > I guess my preferred solution then, since people seem to like the buffed spawn rates, would be to _ **remove Vault Weekends** _ (😱) and just: > > - Increase the chance of Gnomes generally > > - Remove the 100 Souls, 2 Traitstones, 1000-2500 Gold rewards from Treasure Gnomes > > - Buff Jewel Gnome rewards (20 Jewels is pitiful, I compare this to the initial Jewel rewards for Epic Tasks which were acknowledged to be a bit too low: > > > [@Sirrian's Design Thoughts (Last 4.7 Epic Task Update)](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/sirrians-design-thoughts-last-4-7-epic-task-update/59858/1): > > > > 1. The Jewel amounts in Tier 4 were underwhelming. That was an oversight on our part, and has been corrected. > > - Make Pet Gnomes available everywhere, especially since PvP is yet to be reworked. Alternatively, instead of Vault Weekends, I’d be okay with: 1. More regular mini-events that provide either a single, guaranteed Vault Key (… Vault Gnome? 😛 like a Pet Gnome, but a Vault Key after 6 battles) or increased chance for one. 2. Pet Gnome Heralds/Scions/‘Lures’, with a Lure being different to a ‘Bait’, which gives a guaranteed Pet Gnome. Having crazy Vault Weekends like that means I have to compete with (incredibly active) people who come out the other side with 100+ Vault Keys in addition to what they’d normally receive, while I decided to do my laundry and some gardening 😝, catch up on some work or cooking, or similar 🤷‍♂️. * * * > [@Matt91080](#): > > 100 souls, minor traitstones, 2500 gold. I think this is one thing that I can agree on, and that I think a lot of other players can, too. * * * Bonus side-thought: I think it could be reasoned that outside of testing teams for GW, players like having _ **meaningful** _ (i.e. non-100 Souls/20 Jewels/small reward Battlecrashers/) Gnomes crash their battles regularly, and it might be worth shifting the game more permanently in that direction, with whatever the consequences might be, in the same way that the core gameplay has shifted towards more explosions and faster play, with the kind of power creep that the design team feels is more fun. There was a stream a year or two ago when Sirrian commented on power creep in general, saying that he felt the game was just about reaching the level of fun that he wanted, but that there was probably still a bit of room to explore – since gaining more ‘powers’ is a fun thing, but also something to be careful around. So in that sense, ‘fun’ power creep could be an argument to shift the general Gnome appearance rate upwards, and potentially the Vault Weekend rate too, in line with that, as a minor redistribution of how rewards are obtained in-game 🤷‍♂️. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 5:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/3 "2020-08-08T05:34:55Z")
If they do. They’ll cut the rewards in half. ---
**Author:** ![ChunkyMono](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/chunkymono/32/69308_2.png) [@ChunkyMono](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ChunkyMono)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 6:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/4 "2020-08-08T06:16:45Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > If they do. > They’ll cut the rewards in half. For the guilds they like. They’ll reduce the rewards for yours by 1/8. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 7:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/5 "2020-08-08T07:31:24Z")
> [@ChunkyMono](#): > > For the guilds they like. They’ll reduce the rewards for yours by 1/8. 😂 They can’t do that for Gnomes since they are individual drops. It would have to be everyone in the game or no one. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Bernice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/bernice/32/76215_2.png) [@Bernice](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Bernice)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/6 "2020-08-08T11:09:10Z")
It’s a challenge to adjust your expectations/perceptions back to the norm after you’ve had it so good. Although it feels like it, I don’t think this weekend is any worse than what we normally would get. I am grateful that the devs did a weekend with a higher Gnome drop rate and hope that they look at the praise rather than the complaints when deciding to possibly **do it again** ← 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Matt91080](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/edb3f5/32.png) [@Matt91080](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Matt91080)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/7 "2020-08-08T17:53:53Z")
I realize the previous event was twice the normal amount of gnomes. It was great, I had to work that weekend but the small amount of time I had, it was nice. That being said, all other vault events aren’t bad. Your able to get a gnome on average every 10 to 15 or so battles. That is ok, I can accept that. However this vault event, I’m going 30 to 40 battles before I see one. That’s unnaceptable. This vault event is junk plain and simple. Again I’m not asking for vault keys each time either but if you put the time into playing this game, you should be rewarded, especially on gnome weekends. ---
**Author:** ![Matt91080](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/edb3f5/32.png) [@Matt91080](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Matt91080)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/8 "2020-08-08T18:02:47Z")
I’d be on board with all the thoughts and ideas, however it’s only wishful thinking. They don’t listen to anything we say, our ideas are immediately dismissed and that’s the way it is. Sadly… honestly though, with this vault event is be ok with the rate being what it is normally, Maybe increased a bit. This vault event has been lowered. They’ll say it’s the same rate as it’s always been, but that’s false. Heck I see more gnomes when there isn’t a vault event going on than I do with this crap event. ---
**Author:** ![rbchaffe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rbchaffe/32/58281_2.png) [@rbchaffe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rbchaffe)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/9 "2020-08-08T19:07:48Z")
> [@Matt91080](#): > > They’ll say it’s the same rate as it’s always been, but that’s false. I thought it was just me! Appearance rate this weekend seems to me to be the same as “normal” weekends. 😒 EDIT: On the other hand, the Pet Gnome is definitely appearing more often in PvP this weekend. So _that_ is nice. ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/10 "2020-08-08T21:46:06Z")
I think that it was really easy to get used to the accelerated drop rate last time and that is making gnomes seem more infrequent this time. I’ve done 3 complete kingdom circuits, got at least one gnome in every kingdom and pulled 7 vault keys. Seems pretty normal to me. ---
**Author:** ![Matt91080](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/edb3f5/32.png) [@Matt91080](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Matt91080)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/11 "2020-08-08T23:01:53Z")
The drop rate is lower than normal, I don’t care what anyone says. But congrats on the vault keys. I’ll be honest, I have come across around 5 of them now. They’re sprinkled in amongst the bounty of minor traitstones, 100 souls, 2500 gold and everyone’s favorite, 20 ultra rare ingots! I’m just sick and tired of looking forward to something on this game and then realizing I’ve been fooled. If you don’t feel that way, then good for you… really, super happy for ya. ---
**Author:** ![vanyel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vanyel/32/32071_2.png) [@vanyel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/vanyel)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 11:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/12 "2020-08-08T23:31:33Z")
You’re complaining because you’ve ONLY found 5 vault keys halfway into the weekend and you’re convinced the drop rates are lower some how than ever before?! If that’s the bar you’ve set your expectations at its no wonder that you can’t look forward to anything without being disappointed! 🤦‍♂️ Just…wow… ---
**Author:** ![Matt91080](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/edb3f5/32.png) [@Matt91080](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Matt91080)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/13 "2020-08-08T23:43:24Z")
I must play far more than you. Yes 5 vault keys for me isnt that great. However as i stated before, the vault keys arent the issue. My issue is the scarcity of the gnomes on this gnome weekend and the piss poor rewards they leave behind. And since i must be in the minority on this issue, I’ll just leave It there and accept defeat. Good luck to everyone. Keep enjoying this amazing vault event! ---
**Author:** ![Graeme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@Graeme](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Graeme)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 11:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/14 "2020-08-08T23:45:26Z")
Frequency of gnome appearance seems similar to normal to me this Vault weekend. Results may vary. ---
**Author:** ![Matt91080](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/edb3f5/32.png) [@Matt91080](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Matt91080)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/15 "2020-08-08T23:57:20Z")
May I ask, on average how many battles are you doing before a gnome pops up? ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/16 "2020-08-08T23:58:17Z")
At a minimum of one per kingdom, around 20. ---
**Author:** ![Graeme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@Graeme](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Graeme)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/17 "2020-08-09T00:16:34Z")
One every 10 battles on average, as expected. ---
**Author:** ![Matt91080](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/edb3f5/32.png) [@Matt91080](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Matt91080)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/18 "2020-08-09T00:17:34Z")
I’ve gone 40-50 battles before finding one, however on average I’d say I’m around 20-25 battles. A normal average would be around 15 or so. However I don’t count each gnome or battle. It’s just lower this time for me. High five for everyone that are finding them at your standard rates. ---
**Author:** ![Matt91080](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/edb3f5/32.png) [@Matt91080](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Matt91080)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 12:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/19 "2020-08-09T00:18:49Z")
Are you doing explore battles, or something else? 1 gnome per 10 battles would be great. ---
**Author:** ![Graeme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@Graeme](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Graeme)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314/20 "2020-08-09T00:22:33Z")
Casual PvP for Pet Gnomes. Low level Explore when pet rescue is still running. Same level of occurrence in both. Not actively taking stats but variance seems ‘normal’ to me. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-vote-to-permanently-change-the-gnome-rate-to-the-prior-vault-event-rate/65314.md?page=2)