# Petition to change Forest Guardian's 3rd Trait **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [June 6, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189 "2017-06-06T13:18:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/41 "2017-06-06T21:54:23Z")
Problem is that FG enables both a rapid Devour or two via Kerberos _and_ a rapid barrage of skulls via its own ability. There isn’t a team that is particularly effective against both of those without being miserably slow. Now, a couple of Spirit Foxes might work OK. But that’s not actually fun to use. ---
**Author:** ![MadOrange](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/madorange/32/23351_2.png) [@MadOrange](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/MadOrange)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/42 "2017-06-06T23:32:41Z")
Mercy, valk, justice and mab. Prety much destroys them. My issue is, i was screaming at my TV the other night as i tried Kerb 4 times and he failed on all of them. The AI gets a devour pretty much every time!!! Same with DS revive. DS revied 3 times on me today on the AI team. This is on Console though. ---
**Author:** ![Sidousai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sidousai/32/604_2.png) [@Sidousai](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sidousai)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 11:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/43 "2017-06-06T23:35:56Z")
Finding a good team against the kirby team isn’t hard. The problem is finding Six good mono-color teams against them for GW. And then there’s the issue that 50% of GW battles now are basically the kirby combo. This is like the old goblin, webspinner, or pre-nerfed centaur scout phenomenons all over again, except only in GW 😩 ---
**Author:** ![Freakynation76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/freakynation76/32/2936_2.png) [@Freakynation76](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Freakynation76)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/44 "2017-06-06T23:37:25Z")
I like FG 3rd trait, keep it and if a change is needed do it with devour…or you could just play a team that isn’t weak to devour 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Sidousai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sidousai/32/604_2.png) [@Sidousai](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sidousai)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/45 "2017-06-06T23:42:45Z")
Ok, without trying to sound snippy or anything, why don’t we turn this thread into something constructive? Can people please share their MONO-Color team that they use in GW that have been successful against the kirby combo? I will try to compile a list here for all six colors, and hopefully this can get widespread enough to discourage the use of Kirby/FG for GW defense too frequently. ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/46 "2017-06-06T23:45:40Z")
Scarlett Spirit Fox Siren Siren Green obviously. Works well against most fg/kerb teams ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 11:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/47 "2017-06-06T23:47:45Z")
Wulf Wulf Plague FG On green days against beast and DM teams. ---
**Author:** ![thebuck2613](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@thebuck2613](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/thebuck2613)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/48 "2017-06-06T23:49:09Z")
> [@Sidousai](#): > > I think this combo would not be so bad if Forest Guardian’s 3rd trait doesn’t play such a big role in giving those kirby 1st round Full Mana. Can we please change it to something else non-mana related?? you have my vote and i hope dev’s do this seriously, it would likely stop high level players also seeing kerb/forest guardian combo 4/5 times in pvp. although being serious i doubt they will change it ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/49 "2017-06-06T23:49:26Z")
same team on purple days, against beasts, not mono colored tho since FG is in it, but worth it. ---
**Author:** ![thebuck2613](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@thebuck2613](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/thebuck2613)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/50 "2017-06-06T23:50:48Z")
> [@Zelarith](#): > > 50% devour is way too strong, a devour spell shouldn’t ever cross the 20% chances unless it’s a one shot spell like it is for The Great Maw. for the AI even giving them a 20% chance is as good as 80% chance. you would only hurt yourself if you use kerberos by lowering his % chance ---
**Author:** ![beanie42](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beanie42/32/19802_2.png) [@beanie42](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/beanie42)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/51 "2017-06-06T23:58:59Z")
> [@Sidousai](#): > > Ok, without trying to sound snippy or anything, why don’t we turn this thread into something constructive? > Can people please share their MONO-Color team that they use in GW that have been successful against the kirby combo? > > I will try to compile a list here for all six colors, and hopefully this can get widespread enough to discourage the use of Kirby/FG for GW defense too frequently. Appreciate the sentiment, but the effort is futile. I don’t think people are playing beasts because they aren’t beatable, but because they have the best chance of winning when they get a little bit of luck. So posting teams here won’t really change it being overused, only better defensive alternatives will do that. With that said, I don’t mind sharing a team. For purple, I use Carnex/Aby/Psion/Ele, and have never lost a battle (and only lost a couple troops) since GW started. 2 imperv troops, a couple exploders, mana drain, summoning, and attack reduction for skull baiting. Only potential weakness I’ve seen with this team is if Kerby gets lucky when targeting Aby. You’ll still likely win, but you can’t replace the troop. ---
**Author:** ![Zelfore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zelfore/32/22295_2.png) [@Zelfore](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zelfore)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/52 "2017-06-07T00:17:52Z")
I say turn Kerb from a Daemon-Beast to a Daemon-Wargare, I mean, look at it! ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/6/c695f3ee1f6766d4e783e7def02268d9c767b8c0.jpg) That looks decidedly bipedal to me. Also: > [@](#): > > [**Kerberos:** “We guard the portal to hell!”](http://ashtender.com/gems/kingdoms/3008) That seems like an unusually coherent sentence compared to the usual “beast”. Just saying! ---
**Author:** ![Esoxnepa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/esoxnepa/32/1837_2.png) [@Esoxnepa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Esoxnepa)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/53 "2017-06-07T00:40:08Z")
Outside of Kerberos, is FG a problem anywhere else? When Wulfgarok was buffed, it did make the team where someone had FG, 3xWulf pretty dang scary. I’ve only seen that team on defense once, so I don’t think its a problem, or we’d see it more. The problem is really that Kerberos, eats, gains the stats, and spawns, all at once. I will have to see if the barrier changes make Kerberos risky enough to reduce the meta. ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/54 "2017-06-07T00:50:09Z")
Are we talking about: - FG is a problem because it makes me loose (general answer: no it’s Kerberos’s fault) - or, FG is “in theory” too powerful I am more interested by the second aspect… And I think that FG seems a little bit strong: his spell is really powerful (he can almost fill himself, create a ton of skulls) and his 3rd trait is also quite powerful because it allows some nice synergy. I will prefer to see his 3rd trait on another troop (Hero?) and giving a less powerful one. ---
**Author:** ![Drathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/drathas/32/7344_2.png) [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/55 "2017-06-07T00:56:14Z")
Purple days I use: Carnex DRACOS Elemaugrim Plague Only thing I don’t like is no burn to buff the gem creation from Elemaugrim. ---
**Author:** ![Zuboki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/zuboki/32/28558_2.png) [@Zuboki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zuboki)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/56 "2017-06-07T01:06:45Z")
Perhaps we don’t see it more because very few people have 3 Wulfs? ---
**Author:** ![Lelricon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lelricon/32/25740_2.png) [@Lelricon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lelricon)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/57 "2017-06-07T03:58:01Z")
I don’t have wulf. or Elemagugrim. or Plague 😭 ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 7:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/58 "2017-06-07T07:58:27Z")
> [@Venar](#): > > Ok, great Maw eats a full troop all the time. > Kerb would “eat” 50% of your stats all the time. > Kraken would “eat” 40% of your stats all the time. > Sand Shark would “eat” 25% of your stats… > > Wait. > > Maybe that is actually too strong 😂 after one devour (it would have to be re-worder to ‘steal’) the next casts would devour/steal very little of stats and in the end the steal/devour effect would never kil lthe unit so i think its not too bad idea 🙂 maybe tweak the numbers just by 5% to 10% less 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 9:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/59 "2017-06-07T09:22:08Z")
> [@Venar](#): > > Ok, great Maw eats a full troop all the time. > Kerb would “eat” 50% of your stats all the time. > Kraken would “eat” 40% of your stats all the time. > Sand Shark would “eat” 25% of your stats… Another option would be to base it on Health, make Devour guaranteed to trigger if the target has at most the specified health percentage left. Maw would still work on any troop, Kerb would require the target to have lost half its health first. I’d actually prefer that to a random coin toss, allows for more strategies, you could use healing troops to keep out of devour range instead of getting punished for having high stats. ---
**Author:** ![thebuck2613](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@thebuck2613](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/thebuck2613)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189/60 "2017-06-07T12:59:53Z")
> [@Esoxnepa](#): > > The problem is really that Kerberos, eats, gains the stats, and spawns, all at once. dont forget his summon can also summon on death, it says 25% but i see more like 75% [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/petition-to-change-forest-guardians-3rd-trait/25189.md?page=4)