# Other teams that need synergy vs. Goblins **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [April 28, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091 "2016-04-28T16:29:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/41 "2016-06-04T05:19:17Z")
Yes, we all agree. The question is what troop(s) would you introduce to remedy the issue(s). ---
**Author:** ![Shiratori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Shiratori](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shiratori)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/42 "2016-06-04T05:20:40Z")
Daemons and Dragons. We don’t have enough of them. Especially among lower rarities. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/43 "2016-06-04T05:21:29Z")
> [@Shiratori](#): > > Daemons and Dragons. We don’t have enough of them. Especially among lower rarities. such great sarcasm! ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/44 "2016-06-04T05:22:33Z")
I think there needs to be some elves for sure, they are all from zhul kari and are dark elves except for glad warden who is from forest of thorns. I need to think about this a minute. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/45 "2016-06-04T05:23:48Z")
First what troops do not have a kingdom/troop type bonus. I would look it up but i am too lazy and posted a guide on what types of troops are where. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/46 "2016-06-04T05:24:55Z")
are there some that dont? I have no idea… ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/47 "2016-06-04T05:28:05Z")
I know that beast are one of those not getting a kingdom troop bonus. I will try to make a quick list on what has the 4x bonus. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/48 "2016-06-04T05:37:49Z")
I also included those that need a 4rth that are close to having a full team/kingdom bonus. Adana Construct 4 Blighted lands Daemon 4 Broken spire Giant 4 Darkstone Human 3 Divination fields wildfolk 4 Drifting sands Elemental 3 Forest of thorns fey 5 Ghulevania undead 6 Glacial peaks Beast 3 Grosh-Nak marauder 5 Karakoth human 4 Khaziel dwarf 4 Khatar undead 6 Maugrim woods wildfolk 4 Mist of scales marauder 4 monster 3 Pan’s vale wildfolk 3 fey 3 Pridelands wildfolk 4 Primal Elemental 5 Stormheim Giant 4 Sword’s Edge Knight 4 Whitehelm divine 5 Wild plains marauder 2 monster 2 undead 2 wildfolk 2 Zaejin Marauder 6 Zhul’kari Elf 5 ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/49 "2016-06-04T05:44:17Z")
so many of these have the amounts necessary for a good synergistic team, they just dont play off each other well enough. ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/50 "2016-06-04T05:52:09Z")
Some more than others. Some of them cover 5 colors or support them selves well but not all of them. ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/51 "2016-06-04T14:52:17Z")
Yeah, one of the things that really stands out for me is that Zaejin is literally the only Kingdom where you can legitimately field a full Kingdom/Troop combo. Makes it much less surprising that Goblins are so pervasive. On top of their baseline attractive qualities, they also get 9-11 bonus stats whereas most other teams are getting 0-2. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/52 "2016-06-04T15:29:08Z")
Part of that is the fact that goblins also are “complete,” with their own generator in Shaman. It is sort of sad though that (say) a team of dwarves has essentially zero synergy in comparison… ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/53 "2016-06-04T15:32:05Z")
Are we talking about Goblins as in Zaejin or Goblins as in Marauders? (or the combination?) Since Khaziel does have two seperate brown (the colour that all Dwarfs share) generators in Deep Borer and Rock Worm, just neither are a Dwarf. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/54 "2016-06-04T15:35:21Z")
I meant it in terms of troop types, yes. Kingdom-wise I suppose you might be able to power Dwarves with one of those (if there were Dwarves with abilities worth powering…). But I picked Dwarves a bit arbitrarily. You could sub in Elves, etc. there. ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/55 "2016-06-04T15:36:08Z")
> [@Studs](#): > > Yeah, one of the things that really stands out for me is that Zaejin is literally the only Kingdom where you can legitimately field a full Kingdom/Troop combo. The low level (And maybe also used at high levels, but I doubt it with the true damage meta) favourite of Sword’s Edge and Knights, is possible, and I’ve seen it in game a number of times. > [@Lyya](#): > > But I picked Dwarves a bit arbitrarily. You could sub in Elves, etc. there. Fair enough. I just wasn’t sure which we were referring to since Goblins don’t have their own type the same way as some others do. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/56 "2016-06-04T16:08:56Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > a team of dwarves has essentially zero synergy in comparison… Lets work on that! I was going to start with elves, but the only place where a semblance of unity exists with elves is Zhulkari, and I tire of dark elves. So lets take a look at what needs to happen to have a great synergistic team of khaziel dwarves. Here is what we have to work with: ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/2/2b874285f5cd8429df03173c0365dad87206c597.JPG) A closer look: ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/2X/6/62f9dab47b8622f34c5419f3b2cf3f9c3b878216.JPG) Right off the bat I could say that dwarven miner needs the most change. His ability is nigh unto-worthless especially when compared to other commons! He doesnt necessarily need to be on par with an attack common but he should synergize better. My thought is this: Dig: Destroy all brown gems, gain 1 gold per gem destroyed + magic. ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/57 "2016-06-04T16:09:02Z")
Sorry for the double post, but I wanted to actually contribute to this thread rather than just replying to others. I took too long to post, no longer a double post now 😛 I think in terms of team building and what’s “viable” are we need to sort out what we’re looking for. It seems that people generally like to have a mana generator as part of their team, so I took a look at the popular generators and tried to make a themed team out of them First up: Alchemist. Human / Adana - Yellow Generator Ghiralee Alchemist Atlanta Elwyn This gets 4 Humans / 2 Adana as a bonus (for a total of +4 armour, +2 attack, +2 life). But I’m not sure how viable it is in practice. Valkyrie Divine / Stormheim - Blue Generator Berserker Valkyrie Frost Giant Zephyros This gives 4 Stormheim / 3 Giants for a total of +12 Life, +1 Attack. Again not sure how viable, since Zephyros isn’t very well liked it seems. Valk can’t team with other Divines very well as the only Divines that use Blue are Mercy and Valor. Giant Spider Beast / Zhul’Kari - Purple Generator Spider Queen Giant Spider Night Terror Dokkalfar Unfortunately this only gives the 4 Zhul’Kari bonus of +1 Attack, +2 Magic. Bunni’Nog Giant Spider Winter Wolf Jackelope This gives 4 Beast / 2 Glacial Peaks for a total of +4 life, +2 armour, +2 attack Green Seer Fey / Forest of Thorns - Green Generator Treant Rowanne Green Seer Gloom Leaf This gives both 4 Forest of Thorns and 4 Fey for +3 life, + 3 armour, +2 attack, +2 magic. However it should be noted that Rowanne and Treant share the same colours, so would mana block one another if used in the same team. Alternatives in Forest of Thorns are Hippogryph, Owl Bear and Glade Warden (though Mana Blocking would be an issue here as well unless Glade Warden was at the front) On the Fey side you have Orion, Siren, or Sylvasi Forest of Thorns and Fey has the best synergy out of the “Convert a mana colour to another” generators. What are people’s thoughts on the others? What would make them work better do you think? ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/58 "2016-06-04T16:12:55Z")
I think i’m going to make another post in community content to specifically work on races/cities. ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/59 "2016-06-04T16:15:51Z")
> [@Machiknight](#): > > Dig:Destroy all brown gems, gain 1 gold per gem destroyed + magic. I like this idea, however Destroy is too powerful. There is no other troop in the game currently that has colour targeted destroy. All the ones that target a colour are Remove. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/other-teams-that-need-synergy-vs-goblins/6091/60 "2016-06-04T16:16:39Z")
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