# Orb of Growth idea
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754
**Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback
**Created:** [March 6, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754 "2018-03-06T17:27:06Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author:  [@TimeKnight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TimeKnight)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/1 "2018-03-06T17:27:06Z")
I notice that the Orb of Chaos can drop single Growth/Wisdom/Acension/Clan with roughly the same rate. Orb of Clan could be useful in some condition, others using it for troops, so there won’t be much of a problem. But you want to craft Zuul’Goth, there is one issue.
To craft Orbs of power from all minor Orb, you need 4 of them to make major, except Orbs of Growth with require 20, which doesn’t seem fair, consider it’s as rare as other orbs.
My suggestion is to make single Orb of Growth give 5 levels instead of one. That would make it more useful for using on troops; only need 4 for max level for Mythic, and more on par with other when crafting Zuul’Goth.
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### Author:  [@XLS78](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/XLS78)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/2 "2018-03-06T17:35:03Z")
I like this. Orb of Growth would still be the booby prize of orbs, but it would suck _slightly less._
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### Author:  [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/3 "2018-03-06T18:34:53Z")
And of course change the requirements for crafting a major orb of growth. Only 4 needed instead of 20.
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### Author:  [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2018, 11:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/4 "2018-03-07T11:01:40Z")
Bump for devs.
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### Author:  [@AlchemicalSnypr](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AlchemicalSnypr)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/6 "2018-03-09T14:58:23Z")
This absolutely needs to be done asap. Its nonsense that you need 20 of these orbs to craft a major orb when it is 4 of the others in soulforge. Its disappointing to get one, and trying to craft a power orb will take forever under the current conditions due to the sheer amount of growth orbs required to create a major.
Come on Devs, these new modes rewards are already lackluster, but the orb of growth is a HUGE disappointment.
Throw us a bone here
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### Author:  [@Santandrix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Santandrix)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/7 "2018-03-09T15:00:50Z")
> [@Orb of power just doesn’t feel that powerful](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-power-just-doesn-t-feel-that-powerful/36769):
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> So it unlocks all levels traits and mythics a troop, but I think it would be even better if we could use one to pick a unowned mythic to get too. 8 just to get zul, so why not 1 for a legendary and 4 for any mythic? Or just 1, even better. Then it would make 1st place during events that much more worth it to go for. Just another way for lower players to catch up I was thinking.
After receiving a orb of power, it just feels useless. I think the whole orb system needs a second thought.
> [@About orbs and crafting](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/about-orbs-and-crafting/36854):
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> If I understand correctly, regular orbs advance whatever they advance one step, while major orbs advance all the way. So an orb of ascension advances one rarity and a major orb of ascension makes your troop instantly mythic. The same is probably true for the orbs of wisdom: regular for one trait, major for all three. However I came across this in the Soulforge: I think it’s strange that I have to use FOUR of these to craft one major, effectively losing one trait in the process. Or …
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### Author:  [@Smash](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Smash)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/8 "2018-03-09T21:44:14Z")
Would totally support this.
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### Author:  [@S\_Brungus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/S_Brungus)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2018, 4:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/9 "2018-03-10T04:30:05Z")
The amount needed to craft a major is a direct result of their worth(lessness). Players might be tempted to use the other ones to trait or ascend, so they may need more drops to craft a major. However 20 is probably too much. I think they should drop it to maybe 10, and then increase the number of levels it grants to 5.
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2018, 6:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/10 "2018-03-10T06:53:05Z")
To use orb of power or major orb for anything other than Zuul is kind of a waste. For actually using on troops I would much rather 4 minors than a major. Ascending 4 legendarys to mythic instead of 1 common for example. Probably best course of action is save majors and power orbs to eventually one day craft Zuul and spend minors wisely as you get them.
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### Author:  [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/11 "2018-03-10T08:08:24Z")
The only reason to even have the 20 to 1 crafting cost for Major Orb of Growth _is_ to bottleneck Zuul’Goth. This also puts him **completely** off the table unless you are pulling Greater Orbs of Growth directly, which I’m not sure was even intentional or not.
If you think about it for more than 5 seconds, even the “obvious” reason needing 20 orbs of growth to make a major don’t even make sense:
- The other orbs costing 4 is a standardization metric used to gate the ultimate prize. Greater Wisdom’s maximum function is 3 orbs, while Greater Ascension’s max function is 5 orbs, yet both are crafting from 4 minor. The most orbs of growth you could ever use on a single troop is 19. The number 20 is not actually based on anything, because a crafting standardization would have it at 4, and a “sum of its parts” which none of the other orbs do anyways, would have it as 19.
- Costs for _all_ systems are endloaded. A greater orb’s primary functional value is almost universally lower than the sum of its parts, because using them on the _last_ level, _last_ trait or _last_ ascencsion has much, **much** higher value.
- There is never a reason to craft regular orbs to majors unless chasing zuul’goth, and if you are crafting regular orbs _into_ majors, the likelihood is that you can’t get Zuul’Goth at all.
- A Major Orb of Growth saves at most 8k souls, while a regular orb saves at most 1k souls. If the soul economy is the problem (which, lol), this could simply be offset by increasing the soul cost of the greater orb combine.
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### Author:  [@sinirli](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sinirli)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/12 "2018-03-10T21:47:21Z")
Needing 20 orbs to craft a Major is ridiculous. Alternatively, why not allow crafting of minor orbs of growth using souls, since they do the same thing.
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### Author:  [@BRchell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BRchell)
#### Post date: [March 11, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/orb-of-growth-idea/36754/13 "2018-03-11T21:16:16Z")
Bump, bump, bump it up!