# Opinion: Elementalist shouldn't have Snap Freeze as a talent **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [May 20, 2024, 10:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/opinion-elementalist-shouldnt-have-snap-freeze-as-a-talent/84174 "2024-05-20T22:58:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JohnWick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@JohnWick](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JohnWick)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 10:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/opinion-elementalist-shouldnt-have-snap-freeze-as-a-talent/84174/1 "2024-05-20T22:58:17Z")
I feel like Elementalist already freezes and cripples a team easily. With the current PvP setup (most times) you can’t even allow the AI to have one single turn before being looped to death. So why does a class that already immobilizes a team so easily have even more access to completely ruin a match before a single turn is taken? Elementalist makes every other class completely irrelevant. Thoughts on this? ---
**Author:** ![Hayabusa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hayabusa/32/85130_2.png) [@Hayabusa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hayabusa)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 11:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/opinion-elementalist-shouldnt-have-snap-freeze-as-a-talent/84174/2 "2024-05-20T23:17:45Z")
Not true. There’s plenty of troops, classes or weapons to counter easily. Besides, every unnecessary nerf so far has cost the game a lot of players and each new unnecessary nerf will do the same … ---
**Author:** ![JohnWick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@JohnWick](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JohnWick)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 12:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/opinion-elementalist-shouldnt-have-snap-freeze-as-a-talent/84174/3 "2024-05-21T00:09:53Z")
How would removing snap freeze from a class that already freezes so easily ruin the game? If so, then every other class needs a serious buff because as of now, there are zero classes that even come close to what Elementalist does. ---
**Author:** ![Hayabusa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hayabusa/32/85130_2.png) [@Hayabusa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hayabusa)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/opinion-elementalist-shouldnt-have-snap-freeze-as-a-talent/84174/4 "2024-05-21T00:13:35Z")
I use Nightweaver as much too. Also Frost Mage is a very good class. And a few others as well. No need to pick WoS and Elementalist in every battle. Therefore there’s no need for a nerf. Maybe a buff on some classes instead. But not for a nerf. ---
**Author:** ![Kezef](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Kezef](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kezef)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/opinion-elementalist-shouldnt-have-snap-freeze-as-a-talent/84174/5 "2024-05-21T01:49:35Z")
If I were looking to remove a particular talent from Elementalist as to “balance the game better”, I’d be inclined to look at the Stone tree (Rock Solid / Fortitude) before I removed Snap Freeze. I suspect Elementalist would be a bit less popular if it were vulnerable to all the fun stuff it dishes out, and I’ll stand by that even with Curse being a much more common status effect these days and therefore de-valuing Fortitude / Impervious to some degree. ---
**Author:** ![JohnWick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@JohnWick](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JohnWick)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/opinion-elementalist-shouldnt-have-snap-freeze-as-a-talent/84174/6 "2024-05-21T22:21:56Z")
Yes Frostmage, a class literally built around freezing can’t even come close to the freeze capabilities of Elementalist. I hate nerfs as well, but this class has been an issue way before WoS was even introduced. I also use different classes like Archmagus and Orbweaver. All of them can be rendered useless with one 4+ match of Elementalist.