# Okay... So I hate to be a debbie-downer, but... (VALKYRIE NERF) **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [October 26, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361 "2016-10-26T00:30:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 11:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/63 "2016-10-27T11:18:41Z")
Is that official? You can raise the 40 cap with 3 necromancy troops? All the jibber jabber preupdate stated you could use 2 necromancy traits to raise the cap to 60 before multipliers. I havent seen anything official to say it is 3 ---
**Author:** ![Sirrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sirrian/32/35758_2.png) [@Sirrian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sirrian)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 11:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/64 "2016-10-27T11:23:01Z")
Yep - you can use 3… the traits just stack ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 11:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/66 "2016-10-27T11:27:21Z")
Cheers. I dont think that is known by everyone. The only value mentioned pre update was a cap of 60 and the official news item for the update doesnt clarify it. So all 4 troops are locked down in order to gain maximum souls, streuth ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 11:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/67 "2016-10-27T11:30:24Z")
That’s just you misunderstanding. What was said is that the Necromancy trait now raises the cap, and the 60 thing was just an example. There was no reason whatsoever to think that 2 traits would stack but 3 wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 11:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/68 "2016-10-27T11:33:55Z")
Nah it was never officially announced and tacets info preupdate implied a 60 soul cap, actually. Either way, the 100 soul limit before multipliers should be temporary. ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 11:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/69 "2016-10-27T11:44:36Z")
That’s what was said pre-patch, and you participated in the conversation: > [@The Future of The Dragon Soul](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-future-of-the-dragon-soul/14127/12): > > No caps are being raised UNLESS you have Merchant & Necromancy to raise them. > [@The Future of The Dragon Soul](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-future-of-the-dragon-soul/14127/14): > > So if you have 2 necromancy troops you can raise the 40 cap to 60, then your multiplier is applied? > [@The Future of The Dragon Soul](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-future-of-the-dragon-soul/14127/15): > > That is correct > [@The Future of The Dragon Soul](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-future-of-the-dragon-soul/14127/29): > > So why on the video of Tacet (12:32), the cap is 60 souls with only one necromancy trait? > [@The Future of The Dragon Soul](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-future-of-the-dragon-soul/14127/30): > > The screenshot is from about a week ago, before we reduced Necromancy to 25%. > > The main point of the screenshot was to show the resource counters, more than the numbers on them. I have no idea how you could not understand what was said. The cap is not raised without Necromancy, and each Necromancy raises it. It looks pretty clear to me. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/70 "2016-10-27T11:52:45Z")
Are you trying to be a jackass? Because you are one. Going to quite the effort to make me look like an idiot. That conversation started by saying the cap was raised to 60, I asked if this was achieved by using 2 necromancy troops and I was told yes. At no stage was it mentioned to me that it was 70. Hence the confusion. It is amazing to me that you cannot comprehend how the lack of official values can lead to confusion. ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 11:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/71 "2016-10-27T11:58:37Z")
I never tried to make you look like an idiot. You do that way better than me anyway. But you tried to claim that most other people would make the same mistake you did, and I simply don’t think that’s the case, is all I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 12:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/72 "2016-10-27T12:03:29Z")
Good one Einstein. I never mentioned anything about ‘most’ people. Youre talking complete crap in a bizarre attempt to be correct. Are you on your period? ---
**Author:** ![hmcls](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7ea924/32.png) [@hmcls](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/hmcls)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/73 "2016-10-27T12:08:50Z")
I think the Valkyrie nerf was really good. I made a point in another topic that dragon sould needed necromancy with the changes to keep up with valkyrie. The thing is as soon as a soul generator gets the new version of the necromancy trait it would be the single best soul farm troop in the game and we would be back to the days of having only one option for soulfarm teams. On another note if the devs decide 50% necromancy is to much i would really like to see a change that necromancy doesn’t stack instead of nerfing it to 25%. That would be a mutch better change for team building and would limit the soulgain a bit. ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 12:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/74 "2016-10-27T12:09:28Z")
You said > [@Robert](#): > > I dont think that is known by everyone. But it is. I can’t believe anyone else understood what was said the way you did. I can hardly believe that you did at all. And here I’m off. I did not mean for the conversation to go the way it did, and I’m sorry if you were offended. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 12:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/75 "2016-10-27T12:10:34Z")
Im not offended, I dont value your opinion. Bye ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/76 "2016-10-27T13:28:50Z")
Right now, I’m not seeing any difference really. I’m not using Necro troops so the 50%/25% won’t affect me when it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Phaethon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@Phaethon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Phaethon)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/77 "2016-10-27T14:52:26Z")
You said “I’m not sure where you got the impression anyone thought it wasn’t [a nerf].” Many people are arguing that it was a buff. So that is where I got my impression… from people explicitly saying that it wasn’t a nerf… ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/78 "2016-10-27T14:55:00Z")
IIRC, I posted that pretty early in the discussion, before the “300-500 per match” reports started coming in. I think a lot of people thought it was a nerf and then tried it. Unfortunately, a lot of the reports coming in I think are because of the 50%/25% issue, so they will fall off once that’s fixed. ---
**Author:** ![Phaethon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@Phaethon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Phaethon)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 2:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/79 "2016-10-27T14:57:05Z")
Okay. 10ch ---
**Author:** ![Salibu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/salibu/32/23083_2.png) [@Salibu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Salibu)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/80 "2016-10-27T16:53:18Z")
I am fine with the nerf…my issue is her new trait sucks imo. People usually have casted or don’t have any mana when mana burn would come into play. I would rather she had like: Start battles with 50% mana or Allies get 2 to a random skill or a specific skill or Enemies lose 2 to a random skill or Gain “X” number of attack when an ally dies ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 5:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/81 "2016-10-28T05:26:38Z")
What Valk nerf? LOL On PC/Mobile the soul farm team is: Valk Warlock Warlock Warlock Just do an easy challenge / explore and you get 200-300 souls per match. So, any more complaints? 😜 ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 5:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/82 "2016-10-28T05:31:35Z")
Can you keep necromancy the way it is atm, or is it unhealthy the way it is for the community? ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 8:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361/83 "2016-10-28T08:29:31Z")
> [@UKresistance](#): > > Just do an easy challenge / explore and you get 200-300 souls per match. So, any more complaints? Yes. Many people (and I’m one of them) hate farming challenges and explores, and would rather get the souls as a by product while playing PvP. For these people, it is most clearly a nerf. Sending them to farm explores is a much worse punishment than just being forced to use a specific troop (which is bad enough already). [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/okay-so-i-hate-to-be-a-debbie-downer-but-valkyrie-nerf/14361.md?page=5)