# Not sure if its my bad luck, but I get less Arcanes
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [March 20, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787 "2016-03-20T02:49:52Z")
**Posts on this page:** 18
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/1 "2016-03-20T02:49:52Z")
In pvp matches I rarer get Arcanes now.
Is it just my bad luck, or have you noticed something too?
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### Author:  [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/2 "2016-03-20T02:52:50Z")
Seems like I hardly ever get arcanes anyway; at least rarely enough that I’m always surprised when I get one. My guess is you’re just having a run of bad luck at the moment.
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/3 "2016-03-20T02:53:45Z")
Yeah, ure probably right. Ive got like one in the pvp the last week…
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### Author:  [@collectorofgems](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/collectorofgems)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/4 "2016-03-20T03:24:08Z")
When I have seen any arcanes coming my way in pvp it is usually after about 50 - 60 battles. A lot of work to get there but it’s not like I get tons of them anyway. 3 maybe 4 and by then I’m pretty burnt out anyway. Lol.
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### Author:  [@mkshandley](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mkshandley)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/5 "2016-03-20T03:25:38Z")
done somewhere near 400 to 500 challenges on multiple difficulty from normal to warlord 4 this week and have only got 1 arcane. was rare before but seems even more so now. or just bad luck
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### Author:  [@mkshandley](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mkshandley)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/6 "2016-03-20T03:27:29Z")
not sure about pvp. but challenges seems very rare to get arcane
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### Author:  [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/7 "2016-03-20T03:34:07Z")
Arcane drop rate is a flat 2%, so expecting one every 50 or so battles is reasonable.
Chances of going X fights without seeing an Arcane drop:
20 66.8%
30 54.5%
40 44.6%
50 36.4%
60 29.8%
70 24.3%
80 19.9%
90 16.2%
100 13.3%
So while rare, it isn’t unheard of to go 100 fights without one.
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### Author:  [@Koolbiird](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Koolbiird)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/8 "2016-03-20T03:41:44Z")
I needed 1 Arcane Venom to fully trait Venoxia. I played for a month and half doing Zhul’Kari challenges, and never got one. I played one treasure hunt got it. Arcanes are a pain.
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/9 "2016-03-20T04:40:32Z")
Is it the same % for the droprate of arcanes in arena also? I doubt it is, but just wondering.
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### Author:  [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/10 "2016-03-20T04:50:17Z")
> [@Eika](#):
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> Is it the same % for the droprate of arcanes in arena also? I doubt it is, but just wondering.
There was a dev quote saying that breakdown by type of stone was consistent across all sources, so yes, arena is same
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 5:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/11 "2016-03-20T05:19:54Z")
Then I gonna start doing more treasure hunts, thats for sure!
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### Author:  [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/12 "2016-03-20T05:29:06Z")
I have gotten more arcanes from Treasure Hunt than from anything else so far. The only problem is that it is not set like challenegs… so easier yes (usually about 3 per hunt) but random 🙂 Ill take the random and easier!
if you also need runics, farm with Tyri in an area that has the runics you need. i need red so im doing pride lands and gathering runics AND getting maps, so i figure a net on average of 4 trait stones in one challenge (and 100 souls)
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### Author:  [@Namour](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Namour)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/13 "2016-03-20T05:39:08Z")
> [@kzintiwife](#):
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> I have gotten more arcanes from Treasure Hunt than from anything else so far. The only problem is that it is not set like challenegs… so easier yes (usually about 3 per hunt) but random 🙂 Ill take the random and easier!
You mean 3 traitstones in general (i.e. 45+ moves), not 3 arcane traitstones…right?
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### Author:  [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 7:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/14 "2016-03-20T07:45:41Z")
3 trait stones not just arcane.
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### Author:  [@Namour](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Namour)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 8:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/15 "2016-03-20T08:04:30Z")
Phew! 🙂
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### Author:  [@bluebehir](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/bluebehir)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 8:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/16 "2016-03-20T08:06:16Z")
I was thinking exactly the same thing before I saw this thread, but I’m sure it’s information bias.
Ok, I’m not _sure_ … but it probably is.
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### Author:  [@temmie143](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/temmie143)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/17 "2016-03-20T15:42:52Z")
I wonder if you use Tyri in your defense if that will also get you more treasure maps. Anyone know?
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### Author:  [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-sure-if-its-my-bad-luck-but-i-get-less-arcanes/4787/18 "2016-03-20T17:29:13Z")
from what i have been reading, you dont get anything from the traits or skills from the defense team.