# \[Not a Bug\] Stealth change to Maze banner **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [November 7, 2022, 9:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735 "2022-11-07T09:01:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![OzZiggy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@OzZiggy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/OzZiggy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 9:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/1 "2022-11-07T09:01:37Z")
Maze banner which was previously +2 red +2 green and -1 purple is now only +2 green +1 red -1 purple. Devs previously stated long ago when this banner was first introduced that it was working as intended, therefore an unannounced change must be a bug? ---
**Author:** ![mitamata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mitamata/32/10313_2.png) [@mitamata](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mitamata)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 9:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/2 "2022-11-07T09:03:58Z")
Awww, come on! Uncool, devs. Uncool! šŸ«¤ ---
**Author:** ![Stroganrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@Stroganrog](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stroganrog)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 9:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/3 "2022-11-07T09:09:29Z")
šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ Dear Devs, your actions are kinda really (I donā€™t know know to express myself in a more delicate way not to touch your feelings) from down-under crossed with above lower in between without deeply high. Hopefully that makes sense, right? šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![gary\_dils](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gary_dils/32/64086_2.png) [@gary\_dils](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/gary_dils)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 11:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/4 "2022-11-07T11:25:33Z")
just for reference: [[FIXED] New faction will introduce inconsistent banner](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-new-faction-will-introduce-inconsistent-banner/68029) ---
**Author:** ![OzZiggy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@OzZiggy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/OzZiggy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/5 "2022-11-07T12:42:07Z")
Thanks I was hoping someone with better search skill than I would dredge that up šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Hazard1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hazard1/32/76717_2.png) [@Hazard1](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Hazard1)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/6 "2022-11-07T16:11:18Z")
RIP our beloved Maze banner. Not very happy with this stealth fix. They let us use this banner for almost two years in impression that the banner was intended to be like it is, and now this. Likeā€¦ come on? For real? ---
**Author:** ![icy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/icy/32/71999_2.png) [@icy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/icy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/7 "2022-11-07T16:26:50Z")
Iā€™m just waiting for the moment theyā€™ll blame Saltypatra for the misinformation that happened long ago. šŸ¤” šŸ¤” šŸ¤” šŸ¤” šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![Stratelier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/8 "2022-11-07T16:29:27Z")
I am actually fine with this. EVERY other banner has a net +2 Mana bonus (+1/+1, +2, or +2/+1/-1) so to introduce even _one_ kingdom breaking this design rule was an objective power creep and an ā€œif it happens once it can happen againā€ problem. Consider that If either Werewoods or Wild Court had a +2/+2/-1 type banner then the other one would literally never get used ā€“ heck, even now there is barely any incentive to use +1/+1 or +2 banners in most cases, and if youā€™re running a limited color team the Maze banner could still be _objectively superior to every other Red/Green banner available._ Now if it was intended to be the start of a new design pattern I could see it working if, for example, Purple was a -2 modifier instead of -1 (THAT could be a useful design tweak!) or if other banners would get incremented to a net +3 mana bonus to match (but that would cause more trouble than it was worth and only confirm the presence of power creep in banner colors). In the end, I guess the only takeaway is to remember that just because something is ruled ā€œnot a bugā€ now doesnā€™t necessarily mean they canā€™t later reverse the decision. Remember what they said about Cursed Gnomes dropping Vault Keys during a Gnome weekend? (To compare a legal term, ā€œStare Decisisā€ is theirs to interpret.) ---
**Author:** ![Oscarbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/oscarbin/32/53461_2.png) [@Oscarbin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Oscarbin)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/9 "2022-11-07T17:32:47Z")
It was my favorite banner. šŸ˜­ I used it with Phoenicia for fast explore. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_the\_skunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jerry_the_skunk/32/53897_2.png) [@Jerry\_the\_skunk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jerry_the_skunk)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/10 "2022-11-07T17:36:46Z")
> [@icy](#): > > Iā€™m just waiting for the moment theyā€™ll blame Saltypatra for the misinformation that happened long ago. I think, we should finally stop assuming, that _anyone_ knows, what the developers do intend, what they regard as a bug, and what is planned to be fixed or not (hallo, random defense knight). The Oracle of Delphi was a priestess, the Pythia, seated on a volcanic gap, mumbling and screeching incomprehensible words under the influence of the toxic fumes. Other priests were responsible for translating this into actual prophecies, if possible in a wording, that was open for any possible interpretation and could be aplied to whatever result came to pass. I leave it to you to apply this to the relationship of development team and forum/chat officials. ---
**Author:** ![Draegor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/draegor/32/70763_2.png) [@Draegor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draegor)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 9:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/11 "2022-11-07T21:38:39Z")
Iā€™m also fine with this, but the lack of communicationā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![OminousGMan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ominousgman/32/70503_2.png) [@OminousGMan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/OminousGMan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 3:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/12 "2022-11-08T03:26:08Z")
Hey everyone, None of the banners in Gems of War are intended to give 2x ++ bonuses, only 1 at this stage. So this was a bug that was fixed. Sorry about the lack of communication on this one. Weā€™ve spoken with the team about it. OminousGMan - Support Human šŸ•µļøā€ā™‚ļø ---
**Author:** ![NerdieBirdie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nerdiebirdie/32/103793_2.png) [@NerdieBirdie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NerdieBirdie)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 3:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/13 "2022-11-08T03:53:47Z")
Appreciate the clarification, but why was this marked as not being a bug when first reported, only to be changed far after the fact? ---
**Author:** ![Stratelier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Stratelier](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stratelier)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 7:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/14 "2022-11-08T07:00:39Z")
> [@OminousGMan](#): > > None of the banners in Gems of War are intended to give 2x ++ bonuses, only 1 at this stage. So this was a bug that was fixed. Kind of like how Burning Ocularen managed to launch while not matching either of its own Faction colors? Asking this rhetorically but: How do new-content bugs, that literally _any new user can spot immediately,_ manage to survive going through the dev pipeline without somebody on the team spotting it when itā€™s easier to fix? This is how people get trust issues with videogame publishing. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_the\_skunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jerry_the_skunk/32/53897_2.png) [@Jerry\_the\_skunk](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jerry_the_skunk)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 7:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/15 "2022-11-08T07:27:28Z")
> [@Stratelier](#): > > How do new-content bugs, that literally _any new user can spot immediately,_ manage to survive going through the dev pipeline without somebody on the team spotting it when itā€™s easier to fix? Canā€™t blame the developers on this one. They are not familiar with the game and its mechanics. They do not play it. Smartest choice, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![OzZiggy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@OzZiggy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/OzZiggy)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 7:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/16 "2022-11-08T07:30:14Z")
But the initial time this was posted the Devs made it not a bug,now itā€™s been changed to not a bug cause it was a bug.so lies lies lies yet again. Is there something in the Gem of War Dev handbook that says you can never ever be honest with players because itā€™s starting to be impossible to trust anything that comes from you guys now. Kinda like how dungeons were 100% random until we figured out they werenā€™t. Or like the (lack of) Weaver in green chests. I could go on but the mere fact that I could speaks volumes doesnā€™t it? ---
**Author:** ![sylverscale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@sylverscale](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sylverscale)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 7:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/17 "2022-11-08T07:50:42Z")
So it was not a bug when first reported, and now it was unintentional? So a bug? Can you stop trying to bend reality and pretend it was always intended to be that way? Would it have hurt you to leave the banner alone after insisting that it was a design choice 2 years ago? No, it would not have. But this hurts you, too, as itā€™s another incident that destroys player trust. I suppose youā€™re trying to slow Phoenicia teams down as heaven forbid that we arenā€™t glued to GoW 24/7 or get adventure board done 20 seconds faster. ---
**Author:** ![ANGI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@ANGI](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ANGI)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 10:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/18 "2022-11-08T10:22:40Z")
please Gary inform devs about upcoming Dark Forest Troll, sure his colors are also intendedā€¦or they will change it in last minute like Burning Ocularen ---
**Author:** ![ANGI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@ANGI](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ANGI)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 10:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/19 "2022-11-08T10:23:07Z")
stealthy nerfā€¦good job devs ---
**Author:** ![Rockwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@Rockwell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rockwell)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735/20 "2022-11-08T11:23:43Z")
> [@OminousGMan](#): > > So this was a bug that was fixed. So when we were told it was ā€œWorking as intendedā€, was that a mistake or a deliberate lie? [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-stealth-change-to-maze-banner/77735.md?page=2)