# (Not a bug) Orc Armor triggering without damage dealt **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 6:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-orc-armor-triggering-without-damage-dealt/48752 "2018-11-12T06:30:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 7
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-orc-armor-triggering-without-damage-dealt/48752/7 "2018-11-12T23:07:20Z")
> [@dujas](#): > > It doesn’t consider this loss of armor as being damaged. All Orc traits (and Frenzy/Counterattack, which function the same) include damage to life or armor as a trigger condition. This was an intentional change in version 3.4. > [@3.4 Patch Notes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/3-4-patch-notes/38730/1): > > _Orc Exclusive Traits_ > Orc Armor, Orc Cunning, Orc Fury and Gargantaur’s Dark Fury trait will now trigger when taking damage to either Life OR Armor. > [@Chalky123](#): > > Destroying armour is considered damaging armour (If you destroy something, you have damaged it right?) So, this is the part that is inconsistent with **other** game mechanics. “Destroying” armor (via a Manglike, Megavore, Grave Knight, Bone Dragon, Golem, armor stat reduction from Plague’s trait etc…) does not count as “damage” in the way that the rest of the game defines “damage” - barrier does not interact with it at all. **However** , the description of how the traits were changed in 3.4 leads me to believe that this it is intentional for armor _reduction_/_destroy_ to be considered in triggering these traits as it specifies “damage to either (specifically) Life or (specifically) Armor” as a trigger condition, and “damage to (specifically) armor” **can** be interpreted as reduction or destruction of armor, as you have stated. It is just conveyed poorly through the description (like many other things). --- _[View the full topic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-orc-armor-triggering-without-damage-dealt/48752)._