# (Not a bug) Arena losses counting as PVP losses **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [March 2, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559 "2019-03-02T16:47:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Makkon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@Makkon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Makkon)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/1 "2019-03-02T16:47:21Z")
Please check the [known issues list](https://gemsofwar.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000497716-All-Known-Issues-Gems-of-War) before posting a bug. Note: If you are uncomfortable reporting your bug publicly you can privately message @Cyrup or @Kafka with the completed bug template. **Platform, device version and operating system:** iOS **Screenshot or image:** **What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened:** Losses in Arena seem to count as PVP losses. That has never happened before **How often does this happen? When did it begin happening?** Just this week. Each Arena loss counts as a PVP loss **Steps to make it happen again** Lose or retreat in Arena ---
**Author:** ![Makkon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@Makkon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Makkon)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/2 "2019-03-02T16:51:26Z")
It appears Arena losses are counting as PVP losses. I have not fought PVP this week and I have 3 phantom PVP Attack losses. I have had 3 losses (2 losses and 1 retreat) in Arena ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/3 "2019-03-02T16:53:34Z")
~~It’s not a guarantee, though.~~ I tested yesterday. Tried retreating twice from Arena and had no change in my PVP loss column. Edit: The losses took a while to show up. They’re there now! ---
**Author:** ![Makkon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@Makkon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Makkon)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/4 "2019-03-02T16:56:04Z")
It’s odd. Arena is the only “losses” I had this week so far. I have not lost a ToD fight yet and I have not done ranked PVP at all. I have done some casual but have had no losses there. ---
**Author:** ![Latte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5e9695/32.png) [@Latte](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Latte)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2019, 5:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/5 "2019-03-03T05:38:08Z")
not sure if that’s a bug. guild war wins and arena wins does give trophy and advance your ladder score, so i guess it’s fair for it to count as pvp losses too? ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2019, 6:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/6 "2019-03-03T06:04:10Z")
Arena wins does nothing to your PvP score. ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/7 "2019-03-03T14:52:40Z")
I think that meant guild trophy ladder. Trophies are the sole measure for that. ---
**Author:** ![Makkon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@Makkon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Makkon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/8 "2019-03-04T01:27:26Z")
Arena losses don’t seem to impact PVP score either but it does affect your win/loss stats and also breaks any PVP win streak you may have had. ---
**Author:** ![Makkon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@Makkon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Makkon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/9 "2019-03-04T13:01:58Z")
This bug has persisted into this week. A guild mate of mine tested it by retreating twice in Arena. It registered as two PVP Attack losses. Any information? @Cyrup @Kafka ---
**Author:** ![Kafka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kafka/32/33529_2.png) [@Kafka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kafka)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 5:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/10 "2019-03-06T05:01:10Z")
Hey this is working as intended as Arena is a PVP game mode. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 5:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/11 "2019-03-06T05:35:16Z")
> [@Kafka](#): > > Hey this is working as intended as Arena is a PVP game mode. If arena losses counting as PvP losses are intended then arena wins should count as PvP wins but aren’t. There has to be a bug here either arena losses counting pvp losses is a bug or arena wins not countig as pvp wins is a bug. ---
**Author:** ![Kafka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kafka/32/33529_2.png) [@Kafka](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kafka)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 5:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/12 "2019-03-06T05:54:41Z")
Trueeee! Following up with the team again, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 6:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/13 "2019-03-06T06:38:27Z")
> [@Kafka](#): > > Hey this is working as intended as Arena is a PVP game mode. I get that PvP isn’t true PvP. Still, at least in the actual PvP real players are able to pick their Defenses. In the arena… you can’t… and hero class XP is awarded in PVP…🤷 ---
**Author:** ![Makkon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@Makkon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Makkon)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/not-a-bug-arena-losses-counting-as-pvp-losses/52559/14 "2019-03-06T12:12:11Z")
Agreed. Not to mention that in standard PVP fights, you get to choose your team from the hundreds of troops you own, not a random selection of troops generated by RNG.