# No Heart of Rage Support Group
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106
**Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)
**Created:** [March 20, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106 "2021-03-20T22:29:01Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/21 "2021-03-23T14:09:21Z")
And what do we have to play with here??? We have 2-3 Vault Keys weekely. Except from Gnome events which gives me 5 or more.
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### Author:  [@HounganAtLarge](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HounganAtLarge)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/22 "2021-03-23T14:10:07Z")
Pay cash, obviously. I mean, if you think that wasn’t the game plan all along…
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/23 "2021-03-23T14:10:46Z")
so you defend the low drop rates by saying this or?
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### Author:  [@HounganAtLarge](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HounganAtLarge)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2021, 2:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/24 "2021-03-23T14:11:06Z")
Or. Definitely Or.
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### Author:  [@blindnighto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/blindnighto)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/25 "2021-03-23T14:48:03Z")
Maybe they will start giving us more vault keys? (_crosses fingers but not really because that’s not going to happen_)
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### Author:  [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/26 "2021-03-23T15:40:43Z")
> [@blindnighto](#):
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> Maybe they will start giving us more vault keys? ( _crosses fingers but not really because that’s not going to happen_ )
Super duper epic vault keys with half the rate of the epic vault keys. 😉
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/27 "2021-03-23T19:13:55Z")
I like the positive attitude. I fear nothing will be changed too.
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### Author:  [@Andruwjones](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Andruwjones)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/28 "2021-03-23T23:04:59Z")
Slightly related since VK’s. I burned 275 VK’s looking for the demon gnome…no luck…got two HOR though. That would mean I would need to open roughly 825 VK’s just to upgrade HOR w/o a blue orb.
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### Author:  [@Arelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arelana)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2021, 9:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/29 "2021-03-24T09:18:40Z")
> [@blindnighto](#):
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> Maybe they will start giving us more vault keys? ( _crosses fingers but not really because that’s not going to happen_ )
I suspect it’ll happen, but only via Flash Offers and elite (lol) pa$$ rewards. This is likely another example of “cause pain for the customer, then sell the painkiller”.
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### Author:  [@Live](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Live)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2021, 9:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/30 "2021-03-24T09:47:35Z")
Am i here right at the (No) Tarot Support Group?
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### Author:  [@HounganAtLarge](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HounganAtLarge)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2021, 1:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/31 "2021-03-25T01:34:26Z")
Well gang, I’m officially kicked out of the club at key 180. Good luck to you all. _waves_
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### Author:  [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/32 "2021-03-25T01:35:32Z")
Awesome, Congrats!
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### Author:  [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/33 "2021-03-25T02:34:04Z")
Don’t games legally have to disclose drop rates now? We should demand to know the drop rates for these troops in the vault. @Saltypatra
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### Author:  [@sls](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sls)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2021, 12:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/34 "2021-03-25T12:34:31Z")
In addition to local laws, app stores usually require disclosure:
Google:
Apps and games offering mechanisms to receive randomized virtual items from a purchase including, but not limited to, “loot boxes” must clearly disclose the odds of receiving those items in advance of, and in close and timely proximity to, that purchase.
> **[Payments - Play Console Help](https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9858738?hl=en&ref_topic=9857752)**
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> Developers charging for app downloads from Google Play must use Google Play's billing system as the method of payment for those transactions. Play-distributed apps requiring or acc
Apple:
Apps offering “loot boxes” or other mechanisms that provide randomized virtual items for purchase must disclose the odds of receiving each type of item to customers prior to purchase.
> **[App Store Review Guidelines - Apple Developer](https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/)**
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> The App Store Review Guidelines provide guidance and examples across a range of development topics, including user interface design, functionality, content, and the use of specific technologies. These guidelines are designed to help you prepare your...
Amazon:
Apps offering “loot boxes” or other mechanisms to receive randomized virtual items from a purchase must clearly disclose the odds of receiving each type of item to customers prior to purchase.
> **[Monetization and Advertising Policy | App Submission and Testing](https://developer.amazon.com/docs/policy-center/monetization.html#loot-boxes)**
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> The Amazon Appstore provides numerous ways for you to earn money from your published apps: Download fee: Charge a fee for users to download the app. In-App Purchasing (IAP): O...
Same for Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft.
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2021, 3:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/35 "2021-03-25T15:20:17Z")
Start reporting whatever’s not being disclosed, folks. If enough people do, we’ll either force their hands to give us the info we deserve to have, or get them shut down so we’ll all be free 💪
Do it **For the Horde**
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### Author:  [@sls](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sls)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/36 "2021-03-25T15:52:15Z")
“But we’re selling you vault battles, vault items have always been free”
_taps forehead_
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### Author:  [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/37 "2021-03-25T17:41:17Z")
> [@sls](#):
>
> In addition to local laws, app stores usually require disclosure:
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> Google:
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> Apps and games offering mechanisms to receive randomized virtual items from a purchase including, but not limited to, “loot boxes” must clearly disclose the odds of receiving those items in advance of, and in close and timely proximity to, that purchase.
>
> [Payments - Play Console Help](https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9858738?hl=en&ref_topic=9857752)
As far as laws go, those are limited in very few countries. It’s easier to lock those regions out of the playing the game as they’re not the main market anyway.
But according to Google Play, they enforce it. Interesting.
So yes, vault rewards and their percentages need to be displayed. Anytime there is a change, such as adding the Sun to the pool, the displayed rates need to be updated. Otherwise, this game could be pulled from the Google Play Store.
Perhaps this warrants its own post to highlight to the devs they’re breaking Google Play rules?
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### Author:  [@NerdieBirdie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NerdieBirdie)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/38 "2021-03-25T18:11:09Z")
Gut feeling that this won’t change unless Google forces their hand…
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### Author:  [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2021, 9:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/39 "2021-03-25T21:40:29Z")
Maybe they think that since there’s a battle in-between, and you can theoretically lose the battle and not receive the rewards, it doesn’t count? 😕 😛 … I guess it still looks like a pretty straightforward mechanism to receive randomised items, though.
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### Author:  [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/no-heart-of-rage-support-group/69106/40 "2021-03-25T22:14:52Z")
> **This because**
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> 
¯\_(ツ)\_/¯
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