# Nintendo Switch Bracket System is Broken **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (Nintendo Switch)\ **Created:** [April 1, 2019, 10:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480 "2019-04-01T10:07:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/1 "2019-04-01T10:07:13Z")
When Guild Wars was 1st added to Gems of War ages back, initial brackets were based on the amount of trophies a guild had. In the Nintendo Switch version, it seems to be based on nothing. Currently, the #1 and #5 trophy earning guilds on the Switch version are in bracket 23, a distance of 1 year away from bracket 1. Around 9 of the 10 guilds currently in bracket 1 are essentially inactive despite many of the most active guilds in the game being nowhere near the top brackets. Many of the most active guilds in the game are losing 1,000s of gems across their guild per month due to this mix up. The most active guild on Nintendo Switch will lose upwards of 400,000 gems over the course of a year guild wide, with many other extremely active guilds losing over 100,000 gems per year guild wide. Are there any plans to fix this? The 1st guild wars starts in 1 day. At minimum, the top 30 most active guilds should be moved to bracket 1, 2, and 3 based on trophy amount, guild level, or some kind of factor based on activity. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/2 "2019-04-01T10:15:14Z")
> [@Tacet](#): > > Are there any plans to fix this? The 1st guild wars starts in 1 day. Why is the Switch on a different schedule then ALL the other platforms? šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![jzg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jzg/32/53451_2.png) [@jzg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jzg)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/3 "2019-04-01T10:22:51Z")
Maybe playing with 30 members against other top guilds that have 5 members would pump too many gems into the early game. Bracket 1 rewards are not really scaled for beginners. I guess they put 20 brackets of placeholder guilds to make sure that by the time you reach bracket 1 you have some actual competition and a healthy player base. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/4 "2019-04-01T10:25:45Z")
> [@jzg](#): > > Maybe playing with 30 members against other top guilds that have 5 members would pump too many gems into the early game. Bracket 1 rewards are not really scaled for beginners. > I guess they put 20 brackets of placeholder guilds to make sure that by the time you reach bracket 1 you have some actual competition and a healthy player base. There is a 30 member top 10 trophy earning guild in bracket 1. That is the only one of those 10 that is active at all. There is a 100% chance that their entire guild will be getting 1500 gems a month. That isnā€™t a bad thing, but most other top guilds are nowhere even remotely close to bracket 1. ---
**Author:** ![jzg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jzg/32/53451_2.png) [@jzg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/jzg)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/5 "2019-04-01T10:31:27Z")
CONSPIRACY CONFIRMED šŸ˜ƒ DAMN YOU SIRRIAN! šŸ¤Ŗ Are they actually playing? Is their trophy amount going up? If so, then me trying to make a logical explanation is even more illogical šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/6 "2019-04-01T10:36:19Z")
> [@jzg](#): > > CONSPIRACY CONFIRMED šŸ˜ƒ DAMN YOU SIRRIAN! šŸ¤Ŗ Well, there is a chance the bracket system isnā€™t based on nothing. From what I can tell, the bracket system seems to be based on when the guilds signed up for guild wars. Places like Australia and Japan had access to the game for around 12 hours prior to places like the United States. If that is the case, you are right. This could be a conspiracy by @Sirrian to ensure all Australian players have an advantage by showering them with guild war gems, lol. XD (joking of courseā€¦ or AM I.) The biggest issue is that most of the guilds with the highest amount of activity are from the United States and Europe area, of which the game released 6-12 hours later. This means nearly every most active guild is nowhere near bracket 1 simply because of time zones. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/7 "2019-04-01T11:49:03Z")
Yeah, GW brackets make me cry inside. (On a slightly more serious note, it does seem unfair to have to wait ~1 year due to 6-12 hours difference in release time/guild creation.) ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 11:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/8 "2019-04-01T11:52:14Z")
I donā€™t think itā€™s unique to the Switch that the system is broken, but this is messed up. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jonathan/32/66724_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 12:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/9 "2019-04-01T12:00:10Z")
@Tacet, did you take into account bracket jumping for your calculation of 1 year? It could be somewhere in the realm of 4-6 months, instead - still awful and unfair, though. Regardless, I agree with Slypenslyde in that > [@Slypenslyde](#): > > I donā€™t think itā€™s unique to the Switch that the system is broken I think this situation on the Switch just really highlights the unfairness of current Bracket mobility (even in its improved form) with respect to initial Bracket placements based on Guild creation time in a vastly more popular GoW. * * * > [@Tacet](#): > > When Guild Wars was 1st added to Gems of War ages back, initial brackets were based on the amount of trophies a guild had. I could agree with this to determine initial Brackets after Week 1 on the Switch! A nice way to reward the players who really jumped onto the new platform (and the method most likely to create reasonable/fair competition in Round 1). ---
**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/10 "2019-04-01T13:43:42Z")
Yeah I mean hereā€™s the core problem this is exposing, and Iā€™ve yelled about this for a long time. Being in the first bracket week 1 establishes your guild in a very powerful way. These players are going to get gem prizes that represent _weeks_ of effort at early game levels. This is a _serious_ advantage considering every guild had to start fresh, nobody has fully-maxed kingdoms, nobody has fully-maxed statues, etc. People arenā€™t getting as many LTs and many other rewards overall. Being outside of bracket 1 _at all_ punishes the heck out of whichever guilds arenā€™t blessed. Every bracket downward represents at least one month of waiting for a shot at the top. And since the players in the guild will get fewer gems, they have to work _harder_ to catch up. Thatā€™s what Iā€™ve complained about re: the bracket system from the start. It doesnā€™t matter if the #50 guild is making 25% more points against harder teams than the #1 guild: they arenā€™t going to catch up any faster than if they _barely_ won their matches. The only people who can challenge the top 10 are the top 10, and what, 2 of the next 10 get a small chance of usurping one? The system is designed to insulate the people at the top from new challengers. I donā€™t think thereā€™s a ā€œfairā€ way to distribute the brackets, given this. Even if it sorted by trophy count, thatā€™s just doling out the wealth to the players who can play the most rather than the players who fight the hardest. A much better way to sort the brackets would be to have one month of mock GW with the trophy-sorted brackets and no rewards, tally up the total scores, then sort by that. Then at least the brackets would be sorted by GW performance. ---
**Author:** ![Rojo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9dc877/32.png) [@Rojo1](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rojo1)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/11 "2019-04-02T00:22:16Z")
I do not know what itā€™s based on because A Guild started 2 days ago and is B 5. It seems they want to punish the active guilds that probably are spending the most real money. This is a train wreck if not fixed. No competition if you are in B1 for months. On Xbox it first went by guild rank. Most of those top guilds are still in B1 guild War. They should want a competitive Bracket 1. ---
**Author:** ![rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/12 "2019-04-02T21:48:02Z")
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**Author:** ![rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/13 "2019-04-02T21:48:45Z")
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**Author:** ![rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/15 "2019-04-02T21:53:04Z")
![IMG_7808](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/7/87a1911c7c5b4609969f52765729b27cc1559b79.jpeg) See the problem hereā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/16 "2019-04-02T21:56:09Z")
Donā€™t worry, when cross-platform happens all your new accounts and guilds will be meaningless anyway. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø ---
**Author:** ![rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/17 "2019-04-02T22:03:38Z")
I could say same to you but why bother. I am pretty sure if people can go anywhere they want they will opt for elsewhere SINCE NO ONE IS UNDER CONTRACT. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/18 "2019-04-02T22:05:45Z")
> [@rojo](#): > > I could say same to you but why bother. I am pretty sure if people can go anywhere they want they will opt for elsewhere SINCE NO ONE IS UNDER CONTRACT. šŸ™‚ Maybe your guild will do it but WE got lot of loyal players here šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/19 "2019-04-02T22:18:32Z")
> [@Fleg](#): > > Donā€™t worry, when cross-platform happens all your new accounts and guilds will be meaningless anyway. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø Iā€™m playing both my accounts on Switch if PC/Mobile ever becomes cross platform with it. ---
**Author:** ![HideInShadows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8c91f0/32.png) [@HideInShadows](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HideInShadows)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/20 "2019-04-03T00:44:29Z")
I guess U1 still hasnā€™t found a way to get 1st in GW. ---
**Author:** ![Rojo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9dc877/32.png) [@Rojo1](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rojo1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480/21 "2019-04-03T07:04:14Z")
I guess what you said can be considered a callout so tread lightly my friend. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/nintendo-switch-bracket-system-is-broken/53480.md?page=2)