# Next Big Step....REAL Online Pvs.P **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [October 28, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499 "2016-10-28T15:40:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AboveOmnipotence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aboveomnipotence/32/11742_2.png) [@AboveOmnipotence](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AboveOmnipotence)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/1 "2016-10-28T15:40:10Z")
It’s coming soon so folks, get ready! I’ll probably be on this game non-stop! LOL ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/2 "2016-10-28T15:42:48Z")
There’s no way. Real-time PVP would be a disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Kharybdys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kharybdys/32/2023_2.png) [@Kharybdys](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kharybdys)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/3 "2016-10-28T15:43:19Z")
You’re just going to repeat your previous thread about this. > [@A True Online Player vs. Player Mode Coming Soon?](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/a-true-online-player-vs-player-mode-coming-soon/13336): > > Any idea when a true Player vs, Player online mode will be available? That’s really the only thing holding this awesome game back from being super great, getting tired of playing a person’s computer controlled team. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/4 "2016-10-28T15:47:52Z")
Not gonna happen… ---
**Author:** ![Sirrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sirrian/32/35758_2.png) [@Sirrian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sirrian)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/5 "2016-10-28T15:48:35Z")
Although we’re going to be investigating the possibility of live PvP early next year, we definitely don’t have anything to announce yet. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/6 "2016-10-28T15:59:23Z")
That means: > [@Jainus](#): > > Not gonna happen… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/7 "2016-10-28T16:03:15Z")
I fail to see how real-time PVP would improve the game at all. It would just make it more expensive to produce and more susceptible to performance issues. Improved AI would be far easier, less resource-intensive, and just as effective in improving the experience. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/8 "2016-10-28T16:06:13Z")
Its all about giving little extra rewards for CPU starting out first 😃 😉 If it ever come remember not let the CPU go first whenever you are up against Mercy teams…Manticore etc… ---
**Author:** ![AboveOmnipotence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aboveomnipotence/32/11742_2.png) [@AboveOmnipotence](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AboveOmnipotence)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/9 "2016-10-28T16:32:47Z")
Ooooh, smart mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/10 "2016-10-28T19:08:34Z")
> [@Sirrian](#): > > Although we’re going to be investigating the possibility of live PvP early next year, we definitely don’t have anything to announce yet. @Sirrian Take your time. IF your going to implement “true online PvP” functionality. it needs to be tested, tested, tested. With emphasis on preventing exploiters, griefers , glitchers, DDOS’ers, etc. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/11 "2016-10-28T19:26:15Z")
Spend time improving the AI instead. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/12 "2016-10-28T22:29:15Z")
I agree with this (buff the AI). I feel like the benefit you’d get of “real” PVP is _mainly_ solvable by increasing the UI lookahead simulation (detecting whether or not a 4-match will cascade given what I know about the board right now, for example, and being more intelligent about spell usage). It’s a hard problem, to be sure, but not as hard as dealing with a whole new real-time PvP mode. Consider the case of gem removers. The outcome of removing gems (all of a color, say) is deterministic, but it’s frankly quite hard to visualize, and so most of us prefer converters, where it’s easier to see what will happen. The AI could easily see if removers will generate a 4-match, or even if removers will generate a 3-match that _then_ cascades into a 4-match, etc. It wouldn’t be cheating _per se_, more like counting cards at a casino. I don’t think it’d take too much effort to make the AI wicked smart. (With an off switch, of course.) The downside is that people would gripe even more about AI “cheating,” when at that point it’s simply able to analyze the board better than a player might. ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/13 "2016-10-28T22:34:03Z")
I feel like we all had this discussion before, didn’t we? +10 ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/14 "2016-10-28T22:36:13Z")
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**Author:** ![Phaethon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@Phaethon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Phaethon)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/15 "2016-10-29T00:30:45Z")
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**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/16 "2016-10-29T00:45:05Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > Spend time improving the AI instead. What if you could select the AI, like you can with difficulty? Obviously the harder the AI the bigger reward. Level 1. Boring simple PC AI Level 2. Unpredictable Console AI, some players believe that it knows what Gems will drop, will mana deny over Skulls, etc (read the threads) Level 3. Advanced AI. simple algorithm rules. i.e. Spark Grinders priority to cast on Constructs… (new) Level 4. Super computer (new) ---
**Author:** ![LYNDALE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyndale/32/13864_2.png) [@LYNDALE](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LYNDALE)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/17 "2016-10-29T01:20:35Z")
That would be the end of pvp for me. I’ve played rt pvp in other games. You get players that don’t make moves and you sit and wait and wait. The thread listed other issues so I don’t need to repeat them all. If you’re going to have that type of server drain please add a mode and not do away from the one we have. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/18 "2016-10-29T01:32:50Z")
I agree, I wouldn’t play real-time PvP. It’s just not compatible with my play style. Luckily, @Sirrian has already indicated it wouldn’t be a replacement for the existing PvP: > [@Real Time PvP vs AI Controlled PvP](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/real-time-pvp-vs-ai-controlled-pvp/7197/23): > > Yep - what @dhjl said. The current asynchronous PvP is fun, we won’t ever remove that. It would be nice to have an option for live PvP though… because no matter how much time we spend writing an AI, it would never be as devious as you guys! ---
**Author:** ![LYNDALE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyndale/32/13864_2.png) [@LYNDALE](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LYNDALE)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 1:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/19 "2016-10-29T01:35:02Z")
That’s a relief. Thanks Lyya ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499/20 "2016-10-29T03:29:33Z")
Players not making moves is a huge issue. Imagine how many battles could be won from people just giving up. I’m sure maybe they could implement something. Another issue is what kind of impact will it have on our nice community as a whole. Real time pvp brings out the worst in people. I don’t think the benefits outweigh the problems personally, but if they can make it work it will make a good bit of people happy. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/next-big-step-real-online-pvs-p/14499.md?page=2)