# New Faction - Sunken Fleet
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131
**Category:** Official News
**Created:** [May 17, 2019, 7:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131 "2019-05-17T07:05:01Z")
**Posts on this page:** 13
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/21 "2019-05-17T23:39:28Z")
> [@Shimrra](#):
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> The thing is that you need a proper board setup for Maraji to cast
As long as you get a few 3 match conversions, you typically clear the entire table using doomskulls.
its not too hard to cast Maraji.
If you can’t, you can still spam Water Elemental
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### Author:  [@Voq](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Voq)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2019, 10:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/22 "2019-05-18T10:56:03Z")
Is it worth saving this one to farm at level 20?
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### Author:  [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/23 "2019-05-18T11:43:13Z")
Meh. It’s too easy for troops to wind up Submerged, which is irritating for a farm faction—all those useful “attack all enemies” spells are suddenly missing one or more targets. I think it’s still Silver Necropolis and Sea of Sorrow in terms of payouts (though I use SoS because I don’t want to try advancing with a faction team there!).
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2019, 11:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/24 "2019-05-18T11:47:27Z")
Somewhere above is the numbers, and my interpretation of the numbers was “it’s hard to tell if Sunken Fleet is better than the next-best faction, we’ll have to wait and see.”
I think the “wait and see” results are summed up by Grundulum. The room layouts are likely to be annoying, so whatever tiny margin your multiplier might gain is sullied by that experience.
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### Author:  [@Voq](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Voq)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/25 "2019-05-18T14:49:13Z")
Oh! I didn’t see he updated his post with the numbers. Thank ye
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### Author:  [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/26 "2019-05-19T18:46:18Z")
> [@Shimrra](#):
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> Anyone else seeing the same rooms over and over again, post-25 Tower of Doom style?
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> Added bonus, mine are consistently aquatically-themed.
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> To be _specific_ : I’m over past 200 now, only doing the straight shot to the boss room, and the two rooms in between are always a combination of Dark Wave Pool, Coral Cave, Murky Deep, Smugglers Den and ~~_possibly_~~ Drowned Grotto. And this is in the event, ~~not~~ _and_ the daily three.
Seriously, devs, what’s the deal with this? I’m genuinely interested to know now. @Saltypatra ?
Two whole days and its consistently been the same teams in those rooms for me. Sort of hard to illustrate with screenshots or I’d do that.
Also Leviathan can stop now please.
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### Author:  [@Demigod](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Demigod)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/27 "2019-05-19T18:54:16Z")
That was boring as hell. Same team all the time yaaaak
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### Author:  [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/28 "2019-05-19T18:55:30Z")
I just picked up a Valraven so I’ll note down the rooms I get from here …
V: Murky Deep
III: Dark Wave Pool
II: Smuggler’s Den
V: Murky Deep
V: Murky Deep
II: Smuggler’s Den
V: Murky Deep
IV: Coral Cave
If I’ve not been clear, I mean these two middle rooms on the straight path to the boss.
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### Author:  [@TimeKnight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TimeKnight)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/29 "2019-05-19T21:10:32Z")
> [@Shimrra](#):
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> Two whole days and its consistently been the same teams in those rooms for me
Uhh… I got that conclusion 2 hours after this Faction is released, by sharing our layouts with guildmates. I even marked them on the map above, and edited my formula to consider them to get accurate statistic about Multiplier.
> **Also, didn't you also notice that top Epic room wil always rotate between 3 Snake/Naga/Amphibian room**
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> > [@TimeKnight](#):
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> > **B:** Room on North West, above the 2nd room you have to beat, will be one of this 3 rooms.
> >
> > - Slither Pit
> > - Scale Court
> > - Viper Nest
> > All in Snake Theme.
It’s quite clear this is the new change the dev will implement in upcoming factions, to make them more unique and fit to the theme of each ones.
> **So, for next Faction...**
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> We should expected some special room(s) with “Nest” theme, including; dragon, spider, Cockatrice and Viper.
I agree though that having two tricky Legendary rooms in 2/5-rotation of required path to beat the Boss make this Faction unnecessarily harder.
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### Author:  [@Thevc](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Thevc)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/30 "2019-05-19T21:23:07Z")
Its s faction based on chance, where the AI deathmark has a noticeably higher strike rate than yours does. Did you really expect more when you spend so much on this idiocy? Mugs of war.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/31 "2019-05-19T21:44:50Z")
Ever since the Q&A stream. @Sirrian agreed that the Delves are too difficult to use 100% Faction Troops to win. Yet, the Delves have only gotten more difficult since the Q&A so who’s actually in charge of GoW now?
He also agreed that it’s unfair that I can score 35 skull points in PvP compared to someone who gets 70 for the same exact match.
It’s like someone apologizing while punching someone in the face. The words ring hollow because the actions are the complete opposite of what the words are expressing.
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### Author:  [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/32 "2019-05-19T23:05:49Z")
> [@TimeKnight](#):
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> Also, didn’t you also notice -
By the time I’d caught on to there being a pattern at all I was only doing the straight path. I definitely saw a couple Naga rooms when I double-checked, but I didn’t fully investigate.
> [@TimeKnight](#):
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> Uhh… I got that conclusion 2 hours after this Faction is released
I _did_ originally post on day one about this. Not that I had a clue what was going on.
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### Author:  [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-sunken-fleet/55131/33 "2019-05-19T23:44:12Z")
> [@awryan](#):
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> so who’s actually in charge of GoW now?
It sure feels like the publisher is in the driver’s seat, like they’re only interested in ARPU / ARPPU / conversion rate and don’t care whether the changes effect churn, and like the devs are just doing what they’re told. 🤷♂️
Just how it looks to me.
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