# New Faction - Mirrored Halls **URL:** \ **Category:** Official News\ **Created:** [November 8, 2019, 7:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051 "2019-11-08T07:01:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2019, 3:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/21 "2019-11-09T03:33:40Z")
Also, missed opportunity: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/d/d/dd15725dd24ee6807cfc7e5791c1f534fb8379eb.png) ---
**Author:** ![Rinny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Rinny](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rinny)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2019, 9:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/22 "2019-11-09T09:55:18Z")
Was surprised to see the “social media set”, I’d be way to scared to have copyright challenges for selling such a emoji set for gems (which in turn can be bought with money). Nice to see the GoW staff has the confidence to do that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![WandaTheWemic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/wandathewemic/32/51431_2.png) [@WandaTheWemic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WandaTheWemic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/23 "2019-11-09T13:38:58Z")
I wish the emoji packs were focused on our game and community. I don’t give a damn about the FaceBook emoji, but a cup of coffee emoji (Kafka) or a RNGesus emoji would have made better sense. These feel like a “hail mary” pass. Did someone forget to do their job? ---
**Author:** ![Bernice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/bernice/32/76215_2.png) [@Bernice](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Bernice)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/24 "2019-11-09T15:49:27Z")
I enjoy collecting pets & I want to love how they all look, but I can’t get behind this one. It looks like he’s flashing me Lol! 🙈 ---
**Author:** ![HounganAtLarge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hounganatlarge/32/28697_2.png) [@HounganAtLarge](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HounganAtLarge)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/26 "2019-11-09T22:11:31Z")
Sorry, but having doppelganger’s spell count as a “death” is stupid. I know I can simply do another run non-faction to get the final points, but to have a troop whose only spell is to copy a troop, and to have that troop considered a death goes against the spirit of the rules. 1 troop that only gives armor to itself and reflect (randomly). 1 troop that gives gems (randomly) and can summon a copy, provided you already lost a troop. Doppelganger described above and 1 troop that actually does damage. There’s no way to win at lvl 500 with a pure faction team AND get through it with no “losses”. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 12:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/27 "2019-11-10T00:45:45Z")
Definitely goes against the spirit of the rules. However, you can still fulfill the maximum points by clearing 500 with a non-faction team and having no deaths. I generally operate under the assumption that the faction clear will only be getting the faction points as the non-faction clear with a _safe_ team will be getting the points for the no deaths. I mean, I actually operate under the assumption that 500 faction clears aren’t supposed to be possible and ignore anything trying to convince me to spend ludicrous amounts of everything on doing so, but y’know what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/28 "2019-11-10T01:30:26Z")
> [@HounganAtLarge](#): > > Sorry, but having doppelganger’s spell count as a “death” is stupid. It could be on purpose to prevent folks from using Doppleganger during guild wars. Or at least penalize them for it. ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/29 "2019-11-10T01:39:29Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > It could be on purpose …but, based on their past coding/QA history, we know it likely isn’t. 😅😛🖖 ---
**Author:** ![HounganAtLarge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hounganatlarge/32/28697_2.png) [@HounganAtLarge](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HounganAtLarge)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/30 "2019-11-10T02:11:40Z")
> [@awryan](#): > > It could be on purpose to prevent folks from using Doppleganger during guild wars. Or at least penalize them for it. Expect that since it’s replaced immediately, you don’t lose points unless you lose the copied troop. If you have 4 at the end of GW match, you don’t lose points, no matter what color it is. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/31 "2019-11-10T02:14:01Z")
> [@HounganAtLarge](#): > > Expect that since it’s replaced immediately, you don’t lose points unless you lose the copied troop. If you have 4 at the end of GW match, you don’t lose points, no matter what color it is. You lose damage points from any death on your team. Even if you finish with 4. ---
**Author:** ![HounganAtLarge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hounganatlarge/32/28697_2.png) [@HounganAtLarge](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HounganAtLarge)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/32 "2019-11-10T02:51:02Z")
Well, watching the AI use dopple on x2 speed, I did not see any dmg when it casts it’s spell. It just copied a troop with no minus anything. It may be that since it was damaged & copied a troop with higher stats, that there was no dmg incurred. Which means it can be used safely if the troop it is copying has higher stats than it has when it casts the spell. ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 3:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/33 "2019-11-10T03:03:06Z")
In addition: Doppleganger did not trigger Lust’s 3rd trait, nor did it increase the kill count in the battle stats screen. 🖖 ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 3:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/34 "2019-11-10T03:56:42Z")
![Screenshot_20191110-115013](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/c/cc0ed0da9bd4991dca96e6ca06cbb7ffef67f988.jpeg) Nada with Gargantaur either: if anyone knows whether e.g. starting with a Nosferatu in a Delve and ending with Umberwolf results in a ‘no casualties’ run, the picture would be clearer. As it stands (assuming the Doppleganger reports are accurate), the definition of ‘casualties’ would appear inaccurate 🤔😅🖖 ---
**Author:** ![HounganAtLarge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hounganatlarge/32/28697_2.png) [@HounganAtLarge](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HounganAtLarge)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/35 "2019-11-10T03:57:59Z")
You are a brave man to dopplegang Gargantaur 🤢 ---
**Author:** ![noob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/noob/32/54823_2.png) [@noob](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/noob)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/36 "2019-11-10T04:41:10Z")
No casuaties means ending the delve with exactly 4 troops you start with. You can die, resummon, transform whaterver you want in between, as long as the 4 troops match, it counts as deathless win. It also means nosferatu transforming to umberwolf without transforming back doesnt count Its logic is different from death count during battles ---
**Author:** ![igniteice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/igniteice/32/67904_2.png) [@igniteice](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/igniteice)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 6:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/37 "2019-11-10T06:44:54Z")
This is one of the most awful, slowest pure faction teams I’ve ever played. at 310 pure faction took me nearly 15 minutes to finish the boss room. I wasn’t in any danger of losing, but it was horribly slow. ---
**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/38 "2019-11-10T11:43:01Z")
All I can say is thank God the summons get weaker every time. I wish the damn Harpy’s did the same. ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 11:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/39 "2019-11-10T11:45:03Z")
> [@Fleg](#): > > I wish the damn Harpy’s did the same. They are supposed to. It’s bugged if it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![ChunkyMono](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/chunkymono/32/69308_2.png) [@ChunkyMono](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ChunkyMono)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/40 "2019-11-10T14:51:45Z")
I believe the 5% summons are full strength, while if the Legendary summons a Harpy Mage she is weaker. ---
**Author:** ![PsyTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/779978/32.png) [@PsyTech](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/PsyTech)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051/41 "2019-11-10T17:45:39Z")
With this delve, and city of thieves, I’ve confirmed in my mind: The devs do not test 500 faction delve internally. Each one of these fights lasted 15+ minutes because once you get down to the copycat, she just loops herself forever. You have to have a string of luck to miss the 99.9% chance to duplicate yourself. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-faction-mirrored-halls/59051.md?page=3)