# New Dungeon Screenshots & Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [August 24, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688 "2022-08-24T14:13:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/527 "2022-09-27T08:42:49Z")
People are aware of that Devs may make everything look even more like a soup based of the datas and experiences players are giving in this very thread? Ofc it is “random enough” as it is as there is players that is still at ZERO perfect runs. ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/528 "2022-09-27T08:52:35Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > Devs may make everything look even more like a soup based of the datas and experiences players are giving in this very thread? That would mean the forum mods went out of their way to ensure the dungeon probability is as bad as mathematically possible for the players:surely they are not that kind of people right? ..right? 😅 😛 🖖 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 9:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/529 "2022-09-27T09:32:23Z")
> [@AMT](#): > > That would mean the forum mods went out of their way to ensure the dungeon probability is as bad as mathematically possible for the players:surely they are not that kind of people right? > > …right? I don’t know about you, but I always fear that they base any changes on the 1 % of player that already got 9-10 perfect runs. And forget about the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 10:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/530 "2022-09-27T10:09:22Z")
> [@AMT](#): > > That would mean the forum mods went out of their way to ensure the dungeon probability is as bad as mathematically possible for the players:surely they are not that kind of people right? I’m more concerned about the supposedly fair door algorithm having secret biases that guarantee some door opening strategies can’t ever result in a perfect run. Like, it’s impossible to get the extra reward by always picking the doors in reading order, and there’s no way a normal player could know this. It makes me wonder how rigged other, more complicated to analyze parts of the game (like loot boxes) might actually be, if even this simple mini game can’t be trusted. ---
**Author:** ![CaptainAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/captainawesome/32/74890_2.png) [@CaptainAwesome](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CaptainAwesome)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 10:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/531 "2022-09-27T10:16:39Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#): > > Like, it’s impossible to get the extra reward by always picking the doors in reading order It is possible to get dragonite this way, but it only happens if 1,2 or 3 contains two bosses + the special and then 4 is the last boss. The odds for this are very small since usually the non-trap doors are 4 & 5. ---
**Author:** ![sls](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sls/32/66687_2.png) [@sls](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sls)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 10:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/532 "2022-09-27T10:20:48Z")
> [@TbIKBA](#): > > I went on to figure out why there couldn’t be three dragons in the first three doors. And I understood the logic that can be followed for any opening doors. > [@AMT](#): > > So far works with any SS, and can start at any door, and it encompasses the pairing rule (because pairs would be a closed loop of just 2 doors) 🤯 crazy find, I’ll try to incorporate this, but I think I need to start from scratch. Is this generalised form correct? Any door still in play: - Must have at least one card still in play that excludes that door, otherwise the door is considered orphaned. - Orphaned doors will be assigned an exclusion-card from the cards still in play. - The exclusion-card assigned to the orphaned door is always the one that does not exclude any of the other doors still in play? - There can never be more than one orphaned door? * * * > [@Fourdottwoone](#): > > A better representation might be like this, players can still scoop up the bonus after their hopefully perfect run. Yes, this is a good point. What’s the best way to display this? All three odds (trap/boss/good cards) on the door? Just trap/boss? I’m thinking just trap/boss at the moment. * * * > [@CaptainAwesome](#): > > We don’t need the middle part at all imo > Just add “reset” (or maybe better “start” or something else) to every day and let people click on it first before pop up the door layout. What I initially wanted was to swap the labels automatically based on time/date and let people fix the labels themselves if their clocks are wildly off or the GoW server is slow or if it accounts differently for winter/summer time than expected. I can still do that, I just figured people would get more annoyed at wrong labels than at generic labels 😅 Let me know what you think. * * * I think I want to add a small compendium of generalised rules at the bottom of the page, so other people can go ahead and make their own tools. * * * ???, dragonite, tool ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/6/b/6b37f9849a6498ce7c5dbd4926490431773dfea1.jpeg) 253416, manual ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/9/0/90cd05471f36d6e99056acd5c16f7417aeb8f9e2.jpeg) 543621, tool ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/9/d/9d219c00cc6595dea0ddacc79a5466631318eae0.jpeg) 453126, dragonite, tool ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/a/8/a8134186fa9edfb4033521206401ff12afac90be.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/7/37fc1ea194417c68b54c2e440fc974f953d47f89.jpeg) 546231, tool, 1 = trap ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/e/8e53e7f4defb6c8511bcf066e400080fada1f4fb.jpeg) 453612, dragonite, tool ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/a/6/a6a6b3d041c14a08b171b39fb872a01464832832.jpeg) 435216, dragonite, tool ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/6/f/6f67367ea3e1e5c5c8faa307aaa46e9e86109b6d.jpeg) 456321, tool ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/b/8/b8e16e44acfbdc0547f15ef5937ebb45ad890e0b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![CaptainAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/captainawesome/32/74890_2.png) [@CaptainAwesome](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CaptainAwesome)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 10:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/533 "2022-09-27T10:39:04Z")
> [@sls](#): > > - Must have at least one card still in play that excludes that door, otherwise the door is considered orphaned. > - Orphaned doors will be assigned an exclusion-card from the cards still in play. > - The exclusion-card assigned to the orphaned door is always the one that does not exclude any of the other doors still in play? > - There can never be more than one orphaned door? I’m currently workin on it if there is an exception of this rule, but I doubt there will be. I’ll try to explain it: A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 F=6 As long as you get 3 different numbers out of 2 Doors, you can exclude the remaining door by looking at their permutation and what’s leftover. This works for every pattern and continues with the 4th door to be opened. i.e. 2nd Pick: A(1) is in 4 D(4) can not be in 1 3rd Pick: A(1) is in 4 and D(4) is in 6 F(6) can not be in 1 4th Pick: A(1) is in 4 D(4) is in 6 E(5) is in 1 F(6) can not be in 5 5th Pick: A(1) is in 4 D(4) is in 6 E(5) is in 1 B(2) is in 5 F(6) can not be in 2 ---
**Author:** ![Sinnycool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Sinnycool](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sinnycool)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 11:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/534 "2022-09-27T11:26:44Z")
Tool worked for me thx! Also made a video on it (i know cringe, sorry) Thanks for all ya’lls hard work! 90 dragonite i prolly wouldnt have got otherwise ---
**Author:** ![CaptainAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/captainawesome/32/74890_2.png) [@CaptainAwesome](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CaptainAwesome)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 11:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/535 "2022-09-27T11:36:07Z")
![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/2/d/2dbbffcad2bd72847b88369deffb97971b759cbc.png) A1:LZ512 Just to give you a small idea how my table currently looks like 😉 Couldn’t zoom out more to catch it all in frame ---
**Author:** ![Voq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/voq/32/54089_2.png) [@Voq](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Voq)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/536 "2022-09-27T14:24:44Z")
![20220927101943_1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/5/4/54c64a3994da10d204713e6db98e5b66851ebfd2.jpeg) 453126 ---
**Author:** ![sls](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sls/32/66687_2.png) [@sls](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sls)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/537 "2022-09-27T15:19:35Z")
[E: Scrap that, only works part-time, will look again some time this weekend] Here’s a [test version (odor2)](https://slothies.neocities.org/gow/odor2.html) adding the ‘no orphans’ rule and some additional changes. This needs to be _thoroughly_ tested because the internals have changed and I can’t be bothered testing myself 😛 I probably messed something up. The older version can be found here: [odor](https://slothies.neocities.org/gow/odor.html). The labels should switch automatically around reset time to that day’s setup. If not, just use the links below. I tried a bunch of things with the boss/traps display, but they all ended up being more confusing than helpful. So for the time being, there’ll just be a boss/trap counter. * * * tool, dragonite ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/0/9/09645f088388b7ff26cf0c25a0da40ecb58ef04e.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/b/3/b30e899646bc0c5821058b7ce6ba614cebebeec3.jpeg) 564123, tool ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/5/c5808b28410144bfed2e6d54f4fe670edf85128c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![mitamata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mitamata/32/10313_2.png) [@mitamata](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mitamata)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/538 "2022-09-27T15:46:00Z")
Mita, 2nd perfect run in a row with 4,3,2,6 😍 ![Screenshot_20220927-083313](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/f/b/fb0eae37db65c1cb9c7eddd70973af3a8e3902cd.jpeg) Mata, still waiting for the first perfect run, with 4,5, 6,1,2,3 😭 ![Screenshot_20220927-083628](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/d/f/dfefb3eeba696c02ac9edb89b9a722491d9a31b1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ANGI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@ANGI](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ANGI)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 4:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/539 "2022-09-27T16:22:21Z")
Does anyone have all opponent dungeon teams? I mean full teams, not only the bosses? ---
**Author:** ![CaptainAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/captainawesome/32/74890_2.png) [@CaptainAwesome](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CaptainAwesome)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/540 "2022-09-28T02:00:34Z")
> **Summary of all traps in this thread (+ some I've got via discord)** > > ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/a/4/a4b3578b2ceebe94fdad3479dee0c8e0729d8924.png) > > Trap in 1: 126x > Trap in 2: 118x > Trap in 3: 108x > Trap in 4: 61x > Trap in 5: 60x > Trap in 6: 119x > > Total 592 ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/541 "2022-09-28T04:05:55Z")
You could probably check Tacet’s streams for the full team of each boss daily. ---
**Author:** ![Taisiakat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taisiakat/32/75810_2.png) [@Taisiakat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Taisiakat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/542 "2022-09-28T05:08:17Z")
Awesome - tool has been so helpful!!! Third perfect run. ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 7:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/543 "2022-09-28T07:17:07Z")
![Screenshot_20220928-151609599](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/5/45ae4831982f70e543f77f1c80ac08c439930566.jpeg) Failed the 50/50 😅 🖖 ---
**Author:** ![NeilTur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/neiltur/32/17307_2.png) [@NeilTur](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NeilTur)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 7:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/544 "2022-09-28T07:21:10Z")
![20220928100826_1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/9/9/99bab89ca680207eaab483dd2f9dfa6c1ad48ba0.jpeg) > **Summary** > > ![20220928101028_1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/9/3/93de87adce5bdd0cf087799638d7e1ad28e207c2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 7:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/545 "2022-09-28T07:21:15Z")
> [@TheIdleOne](#): > > The good news: I had a good feeling it wasn’t 4,5. > > The bad news: I thought I might have been back on the 4 track, but in reality Im still on the 5 track. 4 was a cursed trap, run over. The good news: I had a good feeling it was 5. The bad news: 3 didn’t want to show up. It went back to 4,5. My 50/50 would have been 2 and 3 and I would have guessed wrong even if I started with 4. 1: RT 2: B1 3: DT 4: S 5: B3 6: B2 > **Tracked Run Summary: Day 27** > > Brown: **3,5,6 (4 was an altar)** > Diamond: **3,4,6 (2 was a diamond bonus)** > Blue: 4,5,6 (3 was an altar) > Green: 2,3,5 (4 was an altar) > Red: **4,5,6 (3 was an altar)** > Yellow: 3,4,5 (1 was ascending stairs) > Purple: 4,5,6 (2 was ascending stairs) > Brown: **3,5,6 (4 was an altar)** > Diamond: 1,2,6 (5 was ascending stairs) > Blue: **3,4,6 (5 was descending stairs to level 3)** > Green: 2,4,5 (1 was an altar) > Red: 2,3,6 (5 was descending stairs to level 4) > Yellow: 1,4,5 (3 was an altar) > **Purple: 3,5,6 (4 was an altar)** > Brown: 1,5,6 (3 was a garnet bonus) > **Diamond: 4,5,6 (3 was a diamond bonus)** > **Blue: 3,5,6 (4 was an altar)** > Green: 3,5,6 (2 was descending stairs to level 5) > Red: 2,4,5 (3 was an altar) > Yellow: 1,5,6 (2 was descending stairs to level 6) > Purple: 1,5,6 (4 was an altar) > Brown: 3,4,6 (1 was a garnet bonus) > **Diamond: 1,4,5 (2 was an altar)** > **Blue: 2,4,6 (5 was ascending stairs)** > Green: 2,5,6 (3 was descending stairs) > Red: 2,5,6 (4 was a ruby bonus) ---
**Author:** ![mitamata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mitamata/32/10313_2.png) [@mitamata](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mitamata)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 7:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/546 "2022-09-28T07:24:48Z")
Mita, 3rd perfect run in a row: 5,4,1,3,… ![Screenshot_20220928-002258](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/a/caa8d10ac1eb4c75a286a65a9eb67f9bf644a55c.jpeg) Mata, failed again, 37 times in a row 😭 6,5,4,3,1,2 ![Screenshot_20220928-002028](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/6/8/688a02485d1c5f445138ccff1e36b3a2f400857f.jpeg) This is just so not fair ☹ [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688.md?page=26) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688.md?page=28)