# New Dungeon Screenshots & Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [August 24, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688 "2022-08-24T14:13:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![CaptainAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/captainawesome/32/74890_2.png) [@CaptainAwesome](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CaptainAwesome)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/506 "2022-09-26T18:30:51Z")
I checked my data and found out, that any combinations of - B1 B2 D in Door 1 2 3 - B2 D DT in Door 2 3 4 - D DT RT in Door 3 4 5 never occured so far. And so the counter part of - DT RT S in Door 4 5 6 (Counter of 1 2 3) - RT S B1 in Door 5 6 1 (Counter of 2 3 4) - S B1 B2 in Door 6 1 2 (Counter of 3 4 5) did neither ofc Same with - B1 B2 D DT never been in 1 2 3 4 - B2 D DT RT never been in 2 3 4 5 - D DT RT S never been in 3 4 5 6 - DT RT S B1 never been in 4 5 6 1 - RT S B1 B2 never been in 5 6 1 2 - S B1 B2 D never been in 6 1 2 3 in any combination ---
**Author:** ![NerdieBirdie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nerdiebirdie/32/103793_2.png) [@NerdieBirdie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NerdieBirdie)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/507 "2022-09-26T18:43:30Z")
![Screenshot_20220926-144252](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/6/4695e63df42ada47ff469447047c3fdde5743113.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![CaptainAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/captainawesome/32/74890_2.png) [@CaptainAwesome](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CaptainAwesome)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/508 "2022-09-27T00:18:37Z")
# Traps in relation to non-traps Green: 0% Yellow: \<30% of Total Orange: 30%-50% of Total Red: \>50% of Total > **Non-trap in door 4** > > ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/b/eb4c759092f84973f950d2ae43374f0396c9a219.png) > **Non-trap in door 5** > > ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/2/82687055aa8c1f0dabbcea4e01100644b02f54b1.png) > > Interesting fact: > There has been no trap combo of **2 & 3** if **B2 is in 5** so far ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/509 "2022-09-27T01:30:24Z")
> [@CaptainAwesome](#): > > - B1 B2 D in Door 1 2 3 > - B2 D DT in Door 2 3 4 > - D DT RT in Door 3 4 5 Isn’t that because D can never be on 3? (…and B1 on 1, etc) 🤔 🖖 ---
**Author:** ![WhoDat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whodat/32/63679_2.png) [@WhoDat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WhoDat)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 2:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/510 "2022-09-27T02:55:24Z")
Thank you for sharing your analysis but let me understand the last part. Why B2 cannot be in Room 6? because if the RT falls in Room 4 and DT falls in Room 5 then B2 will be in Room 6. is it possible to have B2 in Room 6? I checked the screenshots and never found the two traps in Room 4 and 5 as a combination as I stated. I would like to understand the logic behind it please. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/511 "2022-09-27T03:22:13Z")
> [@TbIKBA](#): > > | | 4 | 5 | 6 | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | B2 | | | х | > | DT | x | | | > | RT | | x | | > [@WhoDat](#): > > Thank you for sharing your analysis but let me understand the last part. Why B2 cannot be in Room 6? because if the RT falls in Room 4 and DT falls in Room 5 then B2 will be in Room 6. is it possible to have B2 in Room 6? I checked the screenshots and never found the two traps in Room 4 and 5 as a combination as I stated. I would like to understand the logic behind it please. Thanks I can attempt to answer that. 4RT/5DT can not occur as it would create a closed loop leaving 6 in its own thread. 4RT, check 5 → 5DT would refer back to check 4 etc. The way they have programmed it, all 6 must create a full loop without any self-contained closed loops. * * * Another way to check would be to look backwards: 6B2 → 2B1 → 1B3 → 3S → 6… is already B2 Full loop without 4/5. This version isn’t very practical while going through the dungeon, but after the fact its easy to learn/figure out. * * * Just to clarify, I’m not saying 6B2 can never happen, it just can never happen (at this time) when the combination is 1B3, 2B1, 3S. ---
**Author:** ![TbIKBA](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tbikba/32/76180_2.png) [@TbIKBA](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TbIKBA)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/512 "2022-09-27T03:23:47Z")
I myself do not yet understand the logic why it is so coded. But the algorithm works in such a way that after each opening of the door, the “diagonal” is saved EDIT: We can continue the logic. Open door 4 and there will be a RT. Then the “diagonal” will be rebuilt and a cross will become in 5DT ---
**Author:** ![CaptainAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/captainawesome/32/74890_2.png) [@CaptainAwesome](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CaptainAwesome)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 4:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/513 "2022-09-27T04:47:30Z")
You might have missed > [@CaptainAwesome](#): > > I checked my data and found out, that **any combinations** of > > - B1 B2 D in Door 1 2 3 means B1 (in 2 or 3) and B2 (in 1 or 3) and D (in 1 or 2) can never happen. i.e. This can never happen even that it looks like it could ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/9/3/93c20c7d98b8e818418fbf61ee563d56da372037.png) > **It fits with the explanation of @TbIKBA** > > > [@TbIKBA](#): > > > > We have already understood behind which door certain results cannot be > > > > | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | > > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > > | B1 | x | | | | | | > > | B2 | | x | | | | | > > | B3 | | | x | | | | > > | DT | | | | x | | | > > | RT | | | | | x | | > > | S | | | | | | x | > > > > And if we open any door, then the diagonally symmetrical door also becomes with a cross > > > > | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | > > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > > | B1 | x | | x | | | | > > | B2 | | x | | | | | > > | B3 | o | | x | | | | > > | DT | | | | x | | | > > | RT | | | | | x | | > > | S | | | | | | x | > > > > I went on to figure out why there couldn’t be three bosses in the first three doors. And I understood the logic that can be followed for any opening doors. I’ll use the example of the two-horns in doors 1-2-3 to show why they can’t be there. This applies to other combinations as well. > > > > | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | > > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > > | B1 | x | | x | | | | > > | B2 | x | x | | | | | > > | B3 | o | x | x | x | x | x | > > | DT | x | | | x | | | > > | RT | x | | | | x | | > > | S | x | | | | | x | > > > > I decided to remove the extra row and column so that they do not distract attention. It turned out that the diagonal line was preserved if the lines were rearranged in the right order. That is, in each row and column there is one cross. > > > > | | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | > > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > > | B1 | | x | | | | > > | B2 | x | | | | | > > | DT | | | x | | | > > | RT | | | | x | | > > | S | | | | | x | > > > > Let’s continue, in room 2 we will put B1. And remove the extra row and column (I will skip the step with setting “o” and “x”) > > > > | | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | > > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > > | B2 | | | | | > > | DT | | x | | | > > | RT | | | x | | > > | S | | | | x | > > > > The result is a 4x4 table in which you need to complete the diagonal so that the original logic continues to work. > > > > | | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | > > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > > | B2 | х | | | | > > | DT | | x | | | > > | RT | | | x | | > > | S | | | | x | > > > > And now we see that there can no longer be a boss in room 3. Again, this works for other combinations that I have tested. I think we can continue this logic for the 3x3 table, but by then we should already have a perfect run and stretches to the 4- and 5-strings i. e. B1 B2 D DT RT can not be in any combination of 12345. It would leave S alone in 6. Or 6123 in S B1 B2 D coz it would leave DT and RT alone in 4 and 5. So there must be a closed loop of 6 in all rooms, but never a loop of less then 6 in their belonging rooms. ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 4:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/514 "2022-09-27T04:49:39Z")
Ah yes, thanks for the bold clarification 😊 🙏 🖖 ---
**Author:** ![CaptainAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/captainawesome/32/74890_2.png) [@CaptainAwesome](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CaptainAwesome)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 5:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/515 "2022-09-27T05:22:46Z")
> **I also works for non-adjacent rooms** > > B1 in 3 & D in 4 exclude DT in 1 > ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/b/3/b395c500d86d37cf9db18a2446ac99aba4367098.png) > Has never occured so far and is (very likely) not possible > **If you want to go through the data by yourself** > > | B1 | B2 | D | DT | RT | S | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | | | | | | | > | 5 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 3 | 2 | > | 2 | 6 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 3 | > | 4 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 5 | > | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 2 | 1 | > | 5 | 3 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 4 | > | 4 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 5 | > | 4 | 6 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 1 | > | 4 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 5 | > | 4 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 6 | 2 | > | 5 | 3 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 4 | > | 5 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 6 | 2 | > | 6 | 3 | 5 | 1 | 4 | 2 | > | 5 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 6 | 2 | > | 4 | 3 | 6 | 5 | 2 | 1 | > | 4 | 6 | 5 | 3 | 2 | 1 | > | 5 | 1 | 4 | 6 | 3 | 2 | > | 3 | 1 | 5 | 6 | 4 | 2 | > | 4 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 6 | 2 | > | 6 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 2 | 3 | > | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 1 | > | 5 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 4 | 3 | 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> | 5 | 6 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 3 | > | 6 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 2 | > | 4 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 3 | > | 2 | 3 | 5 | 1 | 6 | 4 | > | 4 | 6 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 5 | > | 4 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 5 | > | 3 | 6 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 5 | > | 3 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 5 | > | 4 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 5 | 😉 This leads to the following conclusion i.e. ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/7/e/7e1462dfee08cc5482c06fdc307c480aafddd9f9.png) Door 1 can **NOT** contain a DT anymore since B1 in 3 and D in 4 exclude DT in 1 It’s way easier to understand if we replace B1 with 1 D with 3 DT with 4 Door 1 can **NOT** contain a 4 anymore since 1 in 3 and 3 in 4 exclude 4 in 1. > **Another example from my layout today** > > Opening 4 (B2 aka 2) followed by opening 2 (RT aka 5) excludes DT aka 4 in 5 > > ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/d/4d6bb593096721f2718c4d4ee5c0066d40af4621.jpeg) > **Additional Example** > > ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/4/2/4244689074d9e19d23e0de1fd9c014f8d0530c48.png) > > Door 6 can not have a DT **It doesn’t help which door should be your 2nd pick, but it helps with your 3rd and following picks.** ---
**Author:** ![NeilTur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/neiltur/32/17307_2.png) [@NeilTur](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NeilTur)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 6:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/516 "2022-09-27T06:46:19Z")
> [@TheIdleOne](#): > > Just to clarify, I’m not saying 6B2 can never happen, it just can never happen (at this time) when the combination is 1B3, 2B1, 3S. Does that mean 6D cannot be when 1B2, 2B1, 3S as well? ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 6:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/517 "2022-09-27T06:50:28Z")
> [@NeilTur](#): > > Does that mean 6D cannot be when 1B2, 2B1, 3S as well? 1B2 → 2B1 shouldn’t happen as well, but 3S → 6D is also a closed loop ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 7:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/519 "2022-09-27T07:06:26Z")
![Screenshot_20220927-150444870](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/b/3bde438a9331b84093ca8b93471f5bdf2ebfc014.jpeg) 4 is having a cranky streak 🙄 😅 😛 🖖 ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 7:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/520 "2022-09-27T07:15:28Z")
> [@TheIdleOne](#): > > Might as well start from the beginning… lmfao. The good news: I had a good feeling it wasn’t 4,5. The bad news: I thought I might have been back on the 4 track, but in reality Im still on the 5 track. 4 was a cursed trap, run over. 1DT 2B1 3S 4RT 5B3 6B2 > **Tracked Run Summary: Day 26** > > Brown: **3,5,6 (4 was an altar)** > Diamond: **3,4,6 (2 was a diamond bonus)** > Blue: 4,5,6 (3 was an altar) > Green: 2,3,5 (4 was an altar) > Red: **4,5,6 (3 was an altar)** > Yellow: 3,4,5 (1 was ascending stairs) > Purple: 4,5,6 (2 was ascending stairs) > Brown: **3,5,6 (4 was an altar)** > Diamond: 1,2,6 (5 was ascending stairs) > Blue: **3,4,6 (5 was descending stairs to level 3)** > Green: 2,4,5 (1 was an altar) > Red: 2,3,6 (5 was descending stairs to level 4) > Yellow: 1,4,5 (3 was an altar) > **Purple: 3,5,6 (4 was an altar)** > Brown: 1,5,6 (3 was a garnet bonus) > **Diamond: 4,5,6 (3 was a diamond bonus)** > **Blue: 3,5,6 (4 was an altar)** > Green: 3,5,6 (2 was descending stairs to level 5) > Red: 2,4,5 (3 was an altar) > Yellow: 1,5,6 (2 was descending stairs to level 6) > Purple: 1,5,6 (4 was an altar) > Brown: 3,4,6 (1 was a garnet bonus) > **Diamond: 1,4,5 (2 was an altar)** > **Blue: 2,4,6 (5 was ascending stairs)** > Green: 2,5,6 (3 was descending stairs) ---
**Author:** ![NeilTur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/neiltur/32/17307_2.png) [@NeilTur](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NeilTur)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 7:15am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/521 "2022-09-27T07:15:48Z")
![20220927101230_1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/d/6/d6f5beeacb7c31eb77f6b0461aee20dea3001987.jpeg) > **Summary** > > ![20220927101435_1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/2/1/21e996f8c173ab784d4dae6afc4522d01f797cb5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![CaptainAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/captainawesome/32/74890_2.png) [@CaptainAwesome](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CaptainAwesome)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 7:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/522 "2022-09-27T07:22:57Z")
45 💀 ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/5/c5bcd967620db425e4ac2d6de268bc032d38bf1c.jpeg) But I could figure out, that 6 can not be RT > **And from here on...** > > 3 can not be RT > > ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/2/e213fefe8e881309646a1b55c9f815c8e648ae9a.jpeg) > **Followed by...** > > 2 can not be RT. > So RT must be in 1 > > ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/1/2/123488aee2f409d7c837e7c3ad8a17387423576a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![AMT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amt/32/56829_2.png) [@AMT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AMT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 7:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/523 "2022-09-27T07:27:30Z")
![Screenshot_20220927-151827701](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/0/c079af205c24e3ec499089b2286b04b8c53dd58e.jpeg) Exactly like yesterday’s, except the descending stairs instead of ascending 🖖 ---
**Author:** ![Shaylynn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Shaylynn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shaylynn)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 7:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/524 "2022-09-27T07:31:56Z")
![Screenshot_20220927_092607_Chrome](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/5/85de7f0eed8f9f15b2a4f39331e34060c48e40a9.jpeg) ![Screenshot_20220927_092545](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/b/7/b7d8d118f30636c55f92387d57416a21879efd3a.jpeg) Day 35. 4/35. Used the tool. I still had better chance of getting a perfect run, than trying blindly, but no luck today. 546 - all good. Tool suggested door 1 had the best procentage, but that was a trap. 546132 ---
**Author:** ![CaptainAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/captainawesome/32/74890_2.png) [@CaptainAwesome](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/CaptainAwesome)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/525 "2022-09-27T08:02:40Z")
> [@Shaylynn](#): > > ![Screenshot_20220927_092607_Chrome](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/8/5/85de7f0eed8f9f15b2a4f39331e34060c48e40a9.jpeg) I took your first 3 doors and checked my data. It occured six times so far and had no RT in 3. ![grafik](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/6/e/6ee1ab780f0740dc42f6565ab15029806789e7b4.png) ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/new-dungeon-screenshots-discussion-thread/76688/526 "2022-09-27T08:08:13Z")
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