# Need Solid Team Help **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [January 13, 2017, 9:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252 "2017-01-13T09:13:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/41 "2017-01-14T19:33:24Z")
coz of reliability team synergy works better with the serpent ranger IK alchemist +dragon banner but team from @Justin is ok too Serpent IK Alchemist Valk Dragon banner i cant talk right now, be back later you can feel the difference if you play it but ill explain it in details later tonight ---
**Author:** ![Liverah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@Liverah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Liverah)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/42 "2017-01-14T19:53:34Z")
Ok i will wait your reply. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/43 "2017-01-14T20:42:40Z")
back. so its team “Alch.”: serpent ranger IK alchemist vs team “Anar.” : serpent IK anariel valk * * * - when you get **blue mana** : team Alch: serpent creates red to fill alchemist, he then can fill ranger and a bit of IK team Anar: serpent and a bit of anariel might get filled, in the end you either cast serpent to fill valk a bit or you wait till anariel is filled then heal your team - no idea what happensafter anariel cast you might get extra turn or feed the enemy with extra turn, it will decrease amount of non green/blue gems on board so might be harder to fill mana for IK after you cast anariel * * * - when you get **purple mana** : team Alch: IK gets charged but not much team Anar: IK gets charged more (+2 purple bonus) and there is a chance to charge anariel * * * - when you get **red mana** : team Alch: alchemist gets charged very fast (+2 red bonus), he can then charge ranger and maybe a bit of IK team Anar: valkyrie gets charged quite fast (+1 red bonus), she can then fill serpent and maybe anariel * * * - when you get **green mana** : team Alch: ranger gets filled quite fast, he can do good aoe damage team Anar: green mana gets wasted * * * - when you get **brown mana** : team Alch: alchemist gets filled a little slow (-1 brown penalty) he can then fill ranger and maybe IK a littke team Anar: brown mana gets wasted * * * - when you get **yellow mana** : team Alch: ranger gets charged, IK can get charged as well, (+1 yellow bonus) ranger does quite good aoe damage team Anar: IK gets charged slowly (-1 yellow penalty) * * * overall Team Alch: all the red and brown mana goes to fill alchemist, also serpent supports filling alchemist alchemist is a transmuter so his spell is a good board controll giving you a high chance to fill a lot of ranger and IK ranger provides decent aoe damage IK provides a lot of skulls and more red mana so then u can have alchemist charged again and then use him to fill ranger/IK again and THAT creates a LOOP which is very reliable, if you are careful you can make it the way to not pass a turn to the enemy * * * overall team Anar: all the brown and green you pick are going to waste, you dont have any damaging spell means if IK dies you cannot do much damage, anariel heals but at a cost of risking to give turn and extra mana for the enemy, there is not much room to fill IK or looping, after you cast IK and valkyrie gets filled, all you can do is try to board controll extra turns to use leftover skulls coz u cannot create yellows or purples to cast IK again untill they fall on their own into the board the plus of that team is it gives souls, but its not as much reliable. * * * now in comparison to those 2 teams, @Justin team: Serpent IK alchemist Valkyrie it keeps the reliability of best board control like the team Alch has (but even a little better board control), it also provides the souls like team Anar does, the only difference is it will not heal much neither will it deal additional damage so.. it will be slower then team Alch in a way, and it will hold the risk that if IK dies you cannot deal damage, also if you fail with board control you wont have the extra life team Anar had from healing so if you fail board control you can loose IK more easily (hoever its probable that you rather wont loose the control) * * * ## but in the end its just a game, if you feel like playing with a certain team just go on play it! the game is suppose to be fun so just grab the fun where and how you like it 😉 and dont worry about souls, when there is fun involved just spend it, you can get more souls quite easily in arena 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Liverah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@Liverah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Liverah)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/44 "2017-01-15T14:41:23Z")
Anna, Thanks for your reply. I played with this team 6 matches and i have 5 win. But serpent die quickly and low attack rate. Can i use chimera instead of serpent? If i use chimera do i lost synergy? ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/45 "2017-01-15T14:44:11Z")
if you use chimera it will be harder to charge mana for alchemist and ranger but beside that it should still work, also remmember chimera can die much easier then serpent besides to that i think u need to try and decide on your own 😛 if its possible try finding a high attack unit that use blue mana, it would have better synergy then chimera most probably ---
**Author:** ![Liverah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@Liverah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Liverah)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/46 "2017-01-15T15:06:12Z")
Ok. I will check all troops only blue mana like serpent. I will inform you. ---
**Author:** ![Liverah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@Liverah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Liverah)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/47 "2017-01-15T15:16:49Z")
Have 2 troops like serpent only blue mana suitable for me. Wraith and snow spite. Which one is good for first slot instead of serpent? ---
**Author:** ![Justin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@Justin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Justin)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/48 "2017-01-15T15:22:18Z")
Do you have the first two traits for the serpent? Wraith is decent, but also needs traits. What is the rest of the lineup you decided to use? ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/49 "2017-01-15T15:24:04Z")
u can use double color blue+something (just make it not yellow/purple) wraith is cool if you can trait it, death mark can be fun you can check what stats it will have at what level using this site > **[Troops - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/troops/?filter=Wraith)** > > A list of all troops in Gems of War and their statistics. ---
**Author:** ![Liverah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@Liverah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Liverah)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/50 "2017-01-15T15:59:10Z")
Serpent. Yes has 2 traits (maybe change with wraith) Ranger IK Alchemist I already check wraith with ashtender ---
**Author:** ![Justin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@Justin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Justin)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/51 "2017-01-15T16:15:28Z")
Ranger does decent damage but always ends your turn. And it mana blocks IK on yellows from alchemist. ---
**Author:** ![Justin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@Justin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Justin)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/52 "2017-01-15T16:17:45Z")
Serpent IK Alchemist (hopefully has fire link) Valk Humor me and try this? It potentially loops forever… Try to keep some reds on the board! ---
**Author:** ![Liverah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@Liverah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Liverah)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/53 "2017-01-15T17:20:14Z")
I tried your team and serpent died 2nd turn and IK died 5th or 6th turn then alchemist and valkyrie die easily because they have not any damage cast. ---
**Author:** ![Justin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@Justin](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Justin)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/54 "2017-01-15T17:22:14Z")
Is the serpent leveled at all? Not sure why wraith would survive much longer… ---
**Author:** ![Liverah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@Liverah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Liverah)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/55 "2017-01-16T15:25:49Z")
Please help for second slot about Ranger. He is green/yellow mana. I checked other green/yellow mana for attack. I found Elwyn and Manticore. These are alternate for Ranger for second slot my below team??; Maybe Dokkalfar (Purple/Brown) He is blocked with Purple IK and with Brown Alchemist Maybe Rowanne (Blue/Green) He is blocked with Blue only Wraith Maybe Venbarak (Blue/Purple) He is blocked with Purple IK Wraith Ranger IK Alchemist Waiting for your comment. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/56 "2017-01-16T15:44:19Z")
what is wrong with ranger? his mana cost is not much and he deals decent damage too does he not deal enough of damage? you want more damage or different color? all the units you listed deal less damage unless maybe rowanne , but if she looses armor she deals nearly no damage if you are worried about ranger overlapping yellow with IK then you have 2 options: fill ranger then dont cast it until you fill IK or change the order that IK is above ranger in my opinion its a good thing to have 2 units using yellow mana as alchemist can generate a lot of it if lucky enough ---
**Author:** ![Liverah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@Liverah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Liverah)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/57 "2017-01-16T16:22:28Z")
Ranger problem i think less damage and durability. I will try to Rowanne and manticore? How is manticore damage. I have not played with him yet. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/58 "2017-01-16T16:34:10Z")
manticore spell does not deal damage at all. only it does is drain enemy mana and raise its own attack. there is not many units that deal more spell damage then ranger early game ---
**Author:** ![Liverah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@Liverah](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Liverah)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 7:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/59 "2017-01-17T07:20:44Z")
You are right Anna. Rowanne is not reliable for this team. Ranger is the best option. Thanks for everything. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 9:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252/60 "2017-01-17T09:43:41Z")
let us know if/when you loot a new legendary and we\* might think of somethig else 😜 (\*me and the unspecified amount of willing forum urers) 😁 [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-solid-team-help/18252.md?page=4)