# \[NEED MORE INFO OR PROOF\] Woah... An Issue with Reflect...stop the presses! š±
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342
**Category:** Bug Reports
**Created:** [October 5, 2020, 3:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342 "2020-10-05T03:37:52Z")
**Posts on this page:** 19
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 3:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/1 "2020-10-05T03:37:52Z")
Hero was enraged but entangledā¦ Forest guardian castā¦ 4 skulls allowed the hero to be cleansedā¦ But despite the Enraged status, Gloom leaf still took my hero down with it when it died.
Itās been a long time since I thought the game was just straight up cheatingā¦ Then Green Tower of Doom week happened. And Oh my Godā¦ If we we were playing poker Iād have both of itās hands chopped off by now.
Please finally figure out a way to get Reflect traits actually fixed or just remove it.
And it would be nice if it 10 weeks from the RFG meter wasnāt at 11 again for the next ToD.
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### Author:  [@Potemkinz](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Potemkinz)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 4:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/2 "2020-10-05T04:28:41Z")
you know that gloom has the reflect skull damage trait, right?
hero was entangled, and enraged, can I assume you do a color to doom conversion?
more than 3 skull matches or a match with doom skull, even if your hero is entangled, will do a skull damage. This damage will be reflected by the traitā¦
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### Author:  [@LADYofCAO](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LADYofCAO)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 5:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/3 "2020-10-05T05:23:41Z")
With respect there are actual gaming bugs everywhere. They are so common we give up reporting them.
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### Author:  [@Nemesis\_Online](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nemesis_Online)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 8:43am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/4 "2020-10-05T08:43:58Z")
Itās not the fact they are common. That happens. Itās the fact the devs completely stopped providing feedback to bug reports.
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### Author:  [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/5 "2020-10-05T09:25:18Z")
> [@Potemkinz](#):
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> you know that gloom has the reflect skull damage trait, right?
And the Hero had Enrage. From the [Game Guides](https://gemsofwar.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000335886-All-status-effects-and-immunity-Traits-):
**Enrage** Afflicts enemy Troops 1.5x extra attack Damage when matching Skulls and ignores Traits.
Shouldnāt this also negate the damage reflect of Gloom Leaf?
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### Author:  [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 9:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/6 "2020-10-05T09:54:03Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#):
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> Shouldnāt this also negate the damage reflect of Gloom Leaf?
I think they meant āignores damage reduction traitsā so it could be a case where the devs didnāt cared to clarify this particular and important detail.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 10:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/7 "2020-10-05T10:27:36Z")
Enraged āusuallyā and 99% of the event ignores Glooms trait just fine. It had to of bugged out due to being entangled when the skulls were made but cleansed due to them.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 10:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/8 "2020-10-05T10:28:47Z")
> [@Potemkinz](#):
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> you know that gloom has the reflect skull damage trait, right?
But yes. Iām aware of how the game works. Which is why I made a bug report and not. Hey can someone teach me how to play gems of warā¦ report.
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### Author:  [@ButtStallion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ButtStallion)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 10:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/9 "2020-10-05T10:35:31Z")
I see you are aware after reading but in case many others who donāt understand your horribly worded and terrible attitude bug reports, ive included how the mechanics work below.
In your scenario which I have replicated in testing, being enraged does not ignore ALL traits, it ignores those traits that would reduce incoming damage not outgoing. In this case doom gleaf can reflect back but a troop with reduce skull damage like Amarok will receive full damage(which it did).
Before hitting gloom
After Gloom
Before hitting Amarok
After hitting Amarok
Now the argument can be made that the spell is misleading, but that is par for the course so add it to the list of the many of traits and skills that need wording updates. But that is a valid argument.
#workingasintended
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 10:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/10 "2020-10-05T10:46:49Z")
> [@ButtStallion](#):
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> I see you are aware after reading but in case many others who donāt understand your horribly worded and terrible attitude bug reports, ive included how the mechanics work below.
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> In your scenario which I have replicated in testing, being enraged does not ignore ALL traits, it ignores those traits that would reduce incoming damage not outgoing. In this case doom gleaf can reflect back but a troop with reduce skull damage like Amarok will receive full damage(which it did).
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> Before hitting gloom
Are you aware that you arenāt a Dev and that only devs should be speaking on these bug reports?
Unless you have actually something useful to offer instead of yet another pedestal to try and goad my attention on? Itās getting rather annoying at this point.
Perhaps you can spend your time looking into the 3-4 other bug reports Iāve made about different variations of reflect not working correctly.
Or at least Complete reports that went ignoredā¦ So if the devs arenāt going to give a f to respond properly then Iām not going to give a f to report properly. But hey thanks for playing. š
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### Author:  [@brc\_ro](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/brc_ro)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 11:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/11 "2020-10-05T11:46:48Z")
A similar thing happened to me, and I could repeat the process several times. I hit Gloomleaf with a 3 skull match - thatās not enough damage to kill me (or Gloomleaf) with reflect. But since Iām using Archer, it kills Gloomleaf because of the class trait. And with him, it also kills my heroā¦ even though the initial reflect damage wouldāve taken a quarter of my life only!
Working as intendedā¦
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### Author:  [@xolid99](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/xolid99)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 12:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/12 "2020-10-05T12:09:47Z")
> [@brc\_ro](#):
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> But since Iām using Archer, it kills Gloomleaf because of the class trait. And with him, it also kills my heroā¦ even though the initial reflect damage wouldāve taken a quarter of my life only!
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> Working as intendedā¦
Yep, it does that, always has. It happened to me in GW once vs Wrath with Archer lethal on infernal armour killing my Rope Dart with my own Bullseye. Must admit to being irritated by it, as it cost me the battleā¦
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/15 "2020-10-05T18:41:52Z")
> [@brc\_ro](#):
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> A similar thing happened to me, and I could repeat the process several times. I hit Gloomleaf with a 3 skull match - thatās not enough damage to kill me (or Gloomleaf) with reflect. But since Iām using Archer, it kills Gloomleaf because of the class trait. And with him, it also kills my heroā¦ even though the initial reflect damage wouldāve taken a quarter of my life only!
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> Working as intendedā¦
Itās different than my bug since I was using Monk class.
Lethal counts as either 1k or 2k damage.
So % gets reflected back when using lethal skull damage against reflect.
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### Author:  [@Earnham](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Earnham)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/16 "2020-10-05T19:48:30Z")
Video or screen shots? Maybe something was missed? I use enrage almost daily and dont have problems with enrage against thorns, or any other reflect style trait.
I have posted many bugs and they donāt get fixed, but I would like to see what happened in this instance.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/17 "2020-10-05T19:52:13Z")
I play on mobile so I have to be just lucky enough to be already recording.
Xbox is great in thatā¦oh shit a bugā¦let me go tell the system to start recording X minutes ago.
And there was nothing to SS after it happened other than both sides missing a troop.
Otherwise I would of provided both already.
But see @Kafka or any dev who the bug report is actually for. And not the jury of my peers.
Can go into my account based off the time I made the report and see if they can find the instance. Or they can replicate easily the scenario I described in the OP. If they find it and fix it. Great.
If they donātā¦ Then yes, Iāll have to raise my nanny cam game with Gloom Leaf more and more.
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### Author:  [@Earnham](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Earnham)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/18 "2020-10-05T19:53:55Z")
> [@ButtStallion](#):
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> In your scenario which I have replicated in testing, being enraged does not ignore ALL traits, it ignores those traits that would reduce incoming damage not outgoing. In this case doom gleaf can reflect back but a troop with reduce skull damage like Amarok will receive full damage(which it did).
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> Before hitting gloom
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> After Gloom
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It sounds like you were saying that enrage would get reflected upon from gloomleaf, but your picture says itās worked just like it is supposed to.
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### Author:  [@Earnham](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Earnham)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/19 "2020-10-05T19:56:51Z")
There may be some kind of app for that. Not sure, but maybe something to look into.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 8:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/20 "2020-10-05T20:00:04Z")
> [@Earnham](#):
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> There may be some kind of app for that. Not sure, but maybe something to look into.
My phone has a built in recording device. But it doesnāt work like the Xbox recorder does.
As helpful as you may think you are being. Doesnāt it make more sense for you to look into it and then let me know if it exists before telling me to look into it?
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### Author:  [@Earnham](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Earnham)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/need-more-info-or-proof-woah-an-issue-with-reflect-stop-the-presses/66342/21 "2020-10-05T20:11:27Z")
I am at work for the day or I would test it. The picture above shows it working properly.
You are saying its thorns trait dealt 50% of the enraged total damage back at you on a single skull hit? There were no other skull hits on the board at the same time?