# Maybe add a % modifier according to team strength? **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Created:** [May 19, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361 "2017-05-19T00:20:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Venar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/venar/32/36634_2.png) [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/1 "2017-05-19T00:20:05Z")
In guild wars, i understand the bonus points for wins, and for colour of the day. I am not a fan of the point bonus to remaining troops. I think it blocks some strategy (like sacrificing troops) and increase the impact of 1-spell kills in defence (Devour and DM) What if you could get a score modifier based on the difference in Troop value? Basically, give teams a score (similar to the PVP value), where a team full of 3-traits Mythic is worth more points then a team of say, commons. You get a score difference. After the win, your points are _slightly_ modified by a % reflecting team-value difference. So, for example, if i beat a big team using mostly common cards, in an obvious uphill, underdog battle, i get a score bonus. But, if i use an overkill super-team, i may actually get a score penalty. This would mean that attacker would maybe try to win with unusual, less powerful troops, for more points, and, it also means that maybe some defenders would pick less strong team, that are easier to beat but allows less score, or even a penalty. It would add more strategy then the current: use same colour and dont lose troops. ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/2 "2017-05-19T01:03:47Z")
> [@Venar](#): > > score modifier based on the difference in Troop value? Troop value? Might as well make it 100% RNG of the daily weather in Australia ÷ Devour chance x number of Guild Wars posts on this blog. Ok: Troop value is a completely worthless number toward mid and endgame. Dwarves Miner = Famine. ---
**Author:** ![Venar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/venar/32/36634_2.png) [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 1:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/3 "2017-05-19T01:20:39Z")
Well, maybe a new troop value system then, taking into account base rarity, stats and usage ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/4 "2017-05-19T01:38:15Z")
Ok, I might have been a bit over the top, sorry. Its a great idea to propose changes to Guild Wars, as it does need some. And ultimately your trying to reduce the DM + Devour silliness (insta kill), a great goal. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/5 "2017-05-19T02:05:18Z")
I don’t see this idea improving GW at all. I’d rather figure out a 4-color team to deal with a powerful all mythic defense than using an all common team. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 8:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/6 "2017-05-19T08:02:54Z")
> [@Venar](#): > > What if you could get a score modifier based on the difference in Troop value? > Basically, give teams a score (similar to the PVP value), where a team full of 3-traits Mythic is worth more points then a team of say, commons. > > You get a score difference. After the win, your points are slightly modified by a % reflecting team-value difference. This sounds like it would punish players for developing their collection. Eventually they’ll have ascended and traited all troops, locking them out of fielding teams worth the most points. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 12:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/7 "2017-05-19T12:10:35Z")
> [@Venar](#): > > You get a score difference. After the win, your points are slightly modified by a % reflecting team-value difference. > > So, for example, if i beat a big team using mostly common cards, in an obvious uphill, underdog battle, i get a score bonus. > But, if i use an overkill super-team, i may actually get a score penalty. sadly that cant be done due to simple fact: it would undermine cards development: - developers would earn less as ppl dont wish to spend to develop their cards (since they want better gw score) - ppl would get angry and ask for refund for all these years where they developed troops since that was the direction always encouraged by devs ---
**Author:** ![Venar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/venar/32/36634_2.png) [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/8 "2017-05-19T13:58:21Z")
I can see what you guys are saying. I meant a new value system based on “basic rarity” So, a Goblin, evolved to Mythic, is still considered to be “common” in value and would have lower value then, say, a Death, which is of Mythic value. What i was trying to do, is add more to the gamble. I like Troop building, and i like the current strategy, but it could be more. Example. Right now, Red day. I have a very good all Red team, and an unbeatable 3-Red team. As i scout the opponent, i decide: do i use the all Red? Am i almost 100% sure to win? If not, i’m better going with the 3-Red team, score less but guarantee the win. (since losing is so much punishment) Now, imagine that, in addition to that, Troop value could do very small point changes. So, you see that the defence is average, and decide to go with all Red. But then, you also notice that putting Crimson Bat instead of Draakulis would mean a little more points for a slight decrease in power… sure, why not! But then you also notice that you could switch out the Dragon Soul for something of less value that also explodes gems for same colours, say a Flesh Golem. But then you lose major AoE damage. Your team takes a big boost in score-possibility, but loses a lot of power. It’s a gamble. Lower your chances to win, but get more points a win. But i understand it would just be complicated 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/9 "2017-05-19T17:15:03Z")
> [@Venar](#): > > I meant a new value system based on “basic rarity” Here’s an idea I posted on another thread, using actual player troop use. This post was for Defend but you get the gist. > [@Idea: vary Events by player / incentivise defences](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/idea-vary-events-by-player-incentivise-defences/24334/20): > > I had a different idea, that might encourage HUGE variety. I dislike typing long posts so here the short version. Sorry for the detour @Jainus All tropes are assigned a 5 Star rating based on the previous weeks (or 2 weeks) usage/popularity in 20% brackets. This is displayed when choosing your Defense team. Setting your teams using very uncommon (bottom bracket) troops earns BIG bonuses. Using a top 20% troop earns 0. Middle brackets vary accordingly. Win or loose you get something (Win… ---
**Author:** ![beanie42](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/beanie42/32/19802_2.png) [@beanie42](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/beanie42)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/10 "2017-05-19T19:01:21Z")
The problem with static modifiers based on rarity is that under that system Jotnar or War would be worth more than Krystenax or Gorgotha. Worse, some of the really good lower cards like Giant Spider would be multiple levels below those and thus gaming the system would be fairly easy. Further, once players determined the optimal strength to points ratio, it wouldn’t encourage changing the teams again. So effectively it would provide a one-time adjustment to the meta, after which it would settle back in and continue to stagnate. Having a point system that is based on player usage (like the one @Strat proposed) ensures that “actual/playable value” is considered rather than just rarity, and also ensures that the meta would regularly change. The idea proposed in this thread is an improvement over what’s currently in the game, but I’d prefer a solution that’s more than just a temporary jolt. ---
**Author:** ![Venar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/venar/32/36634_2.png) [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/maybe-add-a-modifier-according-to-team-strength/24361/11 "2017-05-19T21:54:55Z")
Sure, i like it also. To win for sure, or use a Peasant for more points?