# Make Vaults work like Kafka believes they "obviously" should **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [October 27, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-vaults-work-like-kafka-believes-they-obviously-should/72364 "2021-10-27T10:04:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-vaults-work-like-kafka-believes-they-obviously-should/72364/1 "2021-10-27T10:04:01Z")
Here’s @Kafka’s thoughts on troop Rarity 100% taken out of context: > [@The Flesh Horror Battlecrasher](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-flesh-horror-battlecrasher/72349/44): > > The Devil is a Legendary Troop so we obviously can’t give a copy guaranteed for every battle, so if you didn’t like how this event ran but you like the concept of the event, then what sort of compromise would you make? ie. have a higher battlecrasher appearance rate but use a common Troop instead for the reward? Actually set a cap on number of battlecrashers you can see in one day? If so, how is that better than having the chance to find more if you play more but at a lesser chance? (ie, this current way is potentially rewarding people for playing more than other more casual players, while still allowing our casual players to participate and earn the reward too, but also stops the most hardcore players from getting 500 copies of a special legendary Troop that will normally only be available from the Vault). With the issue being she’s RIGHT. That’s how Rarity should work in the game. It should be consistent in all aspects of the game. And that’s why your Vault drop chances being an outlier are misleading at best and criminal at the worst. Since you don’t disclose your drop rates in the vault publicly we’re only left to theorize and I believe it’s currently something to this effect: From least Rare to most Rare: Common Rarity Troops Cedric - Legendary Troop Epic Rarity Troops Tarot Cards - Legendary Troop Heart of Rage - Legendary Troop Not completely off based, but off enough that it needs to be revised. Would the game break if you changed Cedric’s official Rarity to Rare to align it’s self with the actual drop rates? Maybe… But considering how many players are used to playing a broken game I’m sure many of us won’t even notice. ---
**Author:** ![Draegor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/draegor/32/70763_2.png) [@Draegor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draegor)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 10:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-vaults-work-like-kafka-believes-they-obviously-should/72364/2 "2021-10-27T10:35:22Z")
I do actually have about 500 cedric, go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-vaults-work-like-kafka-believes-they-obviously-should/72364/3 "2021-10-27T14:04:01Z")
I have more Cedrics than plenty of OG legendaries from _six or seven years ago_. Which I started collecting _then_ when they were the only ones in the pool! ---
**Author:** ![sls](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sls/32/66687_2.png) [@sls](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sls)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-vaults-work-like-kafka-believes-they-obviously-should/72364/4 "2021-10-27T15:50:20Z")
> [@Shimrra](#): > > I have more Cedrics than plenty of OG legendaries from _six or seven years ago_ . For what it’s worth, here’s how many copies of the game’s legendaries I own at mythic quality. ```auto Name Count ----------------------------- Cedric Sparklesack 36 King Bloodhammer 36 Glaycion 35 Sekhma 27 Garuda 25 Yao Guai 22 Divine Ishbaala 21 Qilin 21 Starflower 21 Willow 21 Kraken 20 Queen Mab 20 Behemoth 19 Borealis 18 Queen Ysabelle 18 Emperor Liang 17 Glitterclaw 17 Keeper of Souls 17 Krystenax 17 Saguaro 17 The Dragon Soul 17 Viper 17 Medea 16 Shoggorath 16 Captain Macaw 15 Jarl Firemantle 15 Kerberos 15 King Mikhail 15 Magnus 15 Matron Dragotani 15 Moloch 15 Nimue 15 Orion 15 DRACOS 1337 14 Dullahan 14 Gloom Leaf 14 Goblin King 14 Gruz the Undefeated 14 Hydra 14 Judge of the Dead 14 Psion 14 Queen Grapplepot 14 Queen Moonclaw 14 Scylla 14 Shadow Dragon 14 Sylvanimora 14 Umberwolf 14 Celestasia 13 Dark Monolith 13 Emperor Khorvash 13 Gorgotha 13 Infernal King 13 Sheggra 13 Sol'Zara 13 Taloca 13 Tesla 13 The Great Maw 13 The Silent One 13 Webspinner 13 Abhorath 12 Bunni'Nog 12 Crimson Bat 12 Gar'Nok 12 Hyndla Frostcrown 12 Lust 12 Silent Sentinel 12 Tinseltail 12 Basilisk 11 Bone Dragon 11 Carnex 11 Emperinazara 11 Forest Guardian 11 Holy St. Astra 11 King Avelorn 11 Leviathan 11 Sir Quentin Hadley 11 Urskula 11 Venoxia 11 Artema 10 Divinia 10 Frostfeather 10 Hive Mind 10 Indrajit 10 King Highforge 10 Kruarg the Dread 10 The Maraji Queen 10 Wrath 10 King Silenus 9 Orrery 9 Queen Titania 9 The Widow Queen 9 Gog and Gud 8 Beastmaster Torbern 7 Chief Stronghorn 7 Krampus 7 Leanansidhe 7 Luna 7 Queen Beetrix 7 Tartarus 7 The Frostfire King 7 Vanya Soulmourn 7 Ankhnum 6 Chief Dargon 6 King of Thieves 6 Nocturnia 6 Sledgepaw 6 The Ghost Queen 6 The Mirror Queen 6 The Wendigo 6 Ursuvius 6 Alderfather 5 Baphomet 5 King Gobtruffle 5 King Minos 5 Lyrasza 5 Matron Velenne 5 The Deep King 5 Tink Steamwhistle 5 Xerodar 5 Lady Morana 4 Nyar'Mel 4 Queen Xochi 4 The Great Wyrm 4 Ulf Harrigan 4 Essencia 3 Kharybdis 3 NUTCRKR 1225 3 Smashedmouth 2 Spooky Imp 2 Regent Khalif 1 The Emperor 1 The Werestag 1 ``` Maybe if I spend another 730 vault keys I can disenchant enough Cedrics to have enough souls to increase his elite level to bronze? ---
**Author:** ![Potemkinz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/potemkinz/32/74067_2.png) [@Potemkinz](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Potemkinz)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-vaults-work-like-kafka-believes-they-obviously-should/72364/5 "2021-10-27T15:57:46Z")
you made me check my cedrics and apparently i have 63 cedrics 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ![IMG-20211027-WA0006](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/2/2/220060b9b779be34a58461aa86ebc2ff1b14bb76.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![BUSCHKA25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/buschka25/32/50428_2.png) [@BUSCHKA25](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BUSCHKA25)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-vaults-work-like-kafka-believes-they-obviously-should/72364/6 "2021-10-27T16:39:04Z")
yep, made me check too …105 ---
**Author:** ![RiverSong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/riversong/32/2089_2.png) [@RiverSong](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/RiverSong)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-vaults-work-like-kafka-believes-they-obviously-should/72364/7 "2021-10-27T19:42:02Z")
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**Author:** ![Fleg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fleg](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fleg)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-vaults-work-like-kafka-believes-they-obviously-should/72364/8 "2021-10-28T00:07:56Z")
![cedric cropped](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/0/b/0b8946011f10e19d9e6895822480f276ea767bfe.png) The droprate of Cedric is so high because they wanted to artificially inflate the “gem value” of a vault key.