# Make GWs a Fun experience for ALL Brackets! **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [September 27, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857 "2017-09-27T14:49:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/21 "2017-09-27T16:21:32Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#): > > i want to get a good chance to get every new mythic i got not choice to play it I have given up on that the moment they took away all the gems from tasks… If i ever happen to get one from using a key rhan cool but i wont spend my precious gems on chests anymore… I am spending them 50 per day on jewels so i can craft any mythic i need ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/22 "2017-09-27T16:23:36Z")
I only missing xatheno and hammer, eventually if i get both i will probably just craft also ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/23 "2017-09-27T16:24:44Z")
You will get there brudda…I am waiting to craft him(Xath) I think…until later… ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/24 "2017-09-27T16:26:41Z")
Yeah i was going to craft him fist but i saw ketra was avalaible and i was missing him so decided to craft ketra and not have to wait until he show up again ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/25 "2017-09-27T16:27:13Z")
Ketras is great fun to play with. I recommend you get him crafted whenever you can.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/26 "2017-09-27T16:27:43Z")
Yeah i crafted him instead of xathenos I also used for green gw and i agree its a nice troop ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/27 "2017-09-27T16:28:10Z")
Top notch choice! 👌 ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/28 "2017-09-27T16:50:23Z")
With THAT suggestion, lower Brackets who are already ONLY earning…, is 1 gem, im not logged in atm to find out for sure, would be competing for 10 gems for a 1st place victory and still receiving additional Glory as a bonus for being in said Bracket. ---
**Author:** ![Ghaleon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ghaleon/32/24539_2.png) [@Ghaleon](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ghaleon)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/29 "2017-09-27T18:12:33Z")
This is a horrible idea imho. I absolutely love guild wars. It brought new life to the game for me when I was to take a break. I love the competitive nature and that when you lose a match it hurts. Every move for me is much more calculated. Guild Wars is the best thing to happen to gems of war since it started imho. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/30 "2017-09-27T18:26:16Z")
I agree 100% @Ghaleon but i have lost faith in the fairness of it. If other guild are cheating how is my guild supposed to compete since we flat out refuse to cheat as well? ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/31 "2017-09-27T18:43:16Z")
I like it too, but are you in a Bracket 1/2 Guild like I am? I don’t think the “enjoyment” is prevalent in lower Brackets… Because there is no tangible incentive for Winning their brackets, beyond the bragging rights amonst peers. And again, if top guilds are claiming that is WHY they compete then great, we should all be willing to SHARE THE WEALTH! Right? ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/32 "2017-09-27T19:46:14Z")
> [@efh313](#): > > there is no tangible incentive for Winning their brackets There is a slight intentive to climb from one grouping to the next (where you actually see an increase in rewards), but for my GW optional guild, the week where we found ourselves in Bracket 1 was so demoralizing that we never really recovered and quickly fell to bracket 3 where we remain. For us, the potential suffering of having to endure the griefiest grief defences is a strong disincentive to promotion. ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/33 "2017-09-27T19:50:44Z")
And in Bracket 3 first place and tenth place earn the same rewards, do they not? So the only arguable incentive is the climb to 1 or 2, which forces you to face a meta that is no fun and was a demoralizing experience for your guild, so instead you just don’t even focus on the game mode and take what comes your way. This is a FAILURE in the game mode, imho. Now imagine that even bracket 3 there were clear advantages to claiming the top spot, additional gems, more cards, hell maybe EVENT Keys! But SOMETHING, then all of a sudden your interest is piqued more for your placement within your bracket, no? This then becomes an accomplishment, a mode that people take interest in. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/34 "2017-09-27T19:54:34Z")
Exactly. The flat rewards structure outside of Bracket 1 never made any sense to me. For upwardly mobile guilds that can climb and compete, promotion _is_ a reward, since they are working toward accomplishing something bigger, but once you’ve reached a bracket where there is fair competition, then there is no point to the struggle anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 10:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/35 "2017-09-28T10:22:44Z")
> [@efh313](#): > > 1- 500+500= 1000 > 2- 400+500= 900 > 3- 350+ 500 = 850 > 4- 300+ 500 = 800 > 5- 250+ 500 = 750 > 6- 200+ 500 = 700 > 7- 150+ 500 = 650 > 8- 100+ 500 = 600 > 9- 50+ 500 = 550 > 10- 0 + 500 = 500 im not understanding this table at all 🙄🤔 someone please explain to me - i do want to like this idea! ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 10:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/36 "2017-09-28T10:30:26Z")
In that example, which I do not profess as balanced, the first number, which diminishes, represents the inter Bracket reward for placement within the bracket. The second number, which is a flat 500 for all, is the static reward for making it to that bracket. In this example, climbing to Bracket 1 awards 500 gems. Those two numbers combined would provide the end of week total reward for GW victory. Does that help? ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 10:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/37 "2017-09-28T10:33:42Z")
so it was 500+ for all? xD ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 10:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/38 "2017-09-28T10:34:18Z")
Yes. 10char Edit- except for 10 Place who earn 0 additional gems. They “only” get 500, no +. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 10:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/39 "2017-09-28T10:41:00Z")
what a fun, lol anyway seems the total gems distributed to guild wars (all below the default 10 gem reward) is: 1401 500 gems i hope someone can incorporate a sum around that into a reasonable suggestion (unless i made mistake in calculation) > **Calculations** > > > [@Guild Wars (Mostly) Explained](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/guild-wars-mostly-explained/21702/1): > > > > Rank 1 = 1,500 Gems, 100 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 50,000 Gold > > Rank 2 = 1,000 Gems, 70 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 40,000 Gold > > Rank 3 = 500 Gems, 50 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 30,000 Gold > > Rank 4-6 = 400 Gems, 41 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 25,000 Gold > > Rank 7-9 = 300 Gems, 32 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 20,000 Gold > > Rank 10-19 = 200 Gems, 24 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 15,000 Gold > > Rank 20-49 = 125 Gems, 20Guild Wars Troop Cards, 10,000 Gold > > Rank 50-99 = 100 Gems, 16 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 8,000 Gold > > Rank 100-199 = 75 Gems, 12 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 5,000 Gold > > Rank 200-399 = 50 Gems, 9 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 4,000 Gold > > Rank 400-999 = 25 Gems, 6 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 3,000 Gold > > Rank 1000+ = 10 Gems, 3 Guild Wars Troop Cards, 2,000 Gold > > rank-rank - gems distributed > 1-9 - 126 000 > 10-19 - 54 000 > 20-49 - 104 400 > 50-99 - 147 000 > 100-199 - 222 750 > 200-339 - 298 500 > 400-999 - 449 250 > 126+54+104+147+222,75+298,5+449,25 x 1000= 1401 500 > > 999_10_30 = 299700 > 1401 500 - 299 700 = 1101 800 perhaps it is rather a: total of 1101 800 gems plus 10gem to all ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 12:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857/40 "2017-09-28T12:00:31Z")
i think i would like something along the likes of: bracket - gems 1 - 250+10guaranteed +up to 50 for rank1 2 - 200+10guaranteed +up to 50 for rank1 3-4 - 160+10guaranteed +up to 50 for rank1 5-7 - 120+10guaranteed +up to 50 for rank1 9-12 - 90+10guaranteed +up to 50 for rank1 13-19 - 60+10guaranteed +up to 50 for rank1 20-49 - 10+10guaranteed +up to 50 for rank1 50-99 - 10 guaranteed +up to 50 for rank1 100+ 10 guaranteed > **Calculations and train of thoughts** > > **50%** of gems distributed “within bracket” and **50%** “depending on bracket number” > > so > > within bracket rewards: > > rank. gems > > 1. 50 > 2. 30 > 3. 25 > 4. 20 > 5. 15 > 6. 10 > 7. 5 > 8. 5 > 9. 0 > 10. 0 > > this way in brackets 1-99 is distributed total of ~~480 000~~ 475 200 gems > (brackets 100+ gets no “within bracket” rewards since extra gems werent predicted to stretch unlimitedly - unless devs feel generous and add them? - but they do get their guaranteed 10 gems for participation) > > depending on bracket number: > (supposed funds: ~~621 800~~ 626 600 gems) > > bracket - gems (total gems distributed, not counting guaranted 10 gems) > 1 - 250 + guaranteed 10 gems (75 000) > 2 - 200 + guaranteed 10 gems (60 000) > 3-4 - 160 + guaranteed 10 gems (96 000) > 5-7 - 120 + guaranteed 10 gems (108 000) > 9-12 - 90 + guaranteed 10 gems (108 000) > 13-19 - 60 + guaranteed 10 gems (108 000) > 20-49 - 10 + guaranteed 10 gems (87 000) > 50+ - guaranteed 10 gems > > 75+60+96+87+108+108+108 x1000= 642 000 > > > **Scrapped, too many gems in total :(** > > > > 1 - 300 + guaranteed 10 gems (90 000) > > 2 - 250 + guaranteed 10 gems (75 000) > > 3-4 - 225 + guaranteed 10 gems (135 000) > > 5-7 - 200 + guaranteed 10 gems (120 000) > > 9-12 - 150 + guaranteed 10 gems (180 000) > > 13-19 - 100 + guaranteed 10 gems (210 000) > > 20-49 - 50 + guaranteed 10 gems (435 000) > > 50-99 - 10 + guaranteed 10 gems (147 000) > > 100+ - guaranteed 10 gems if somewhere i made mistakes please correct me i can say i do understand why devs prefered to just give load of gems to few ransk alone, the numbers dont look bright but i still would like them better than what it is now , i think [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/make-gws-a-fun-experience-for-all-brackets/30857.md?page=3)