# M.I.A. - Post Moa Nerf **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [November 22, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376 "2017-11-22T17:38:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Calv1n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/calv1n/32/28721_2.png) [@Calv1n](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Calv1n)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 6:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/41 "2017-11-23T06:20:32Z")
I’m currently ranked 46 on PvP on PS4 and have done about 350 matches. My “runic, Arcane and Celestial” drop rates are pretty close to what Tacet posted above. I’m getting them rarely but I’m getting them (think I’ve had 2 set of Celestial and about 10 sets of Arcane strangely I think only about 8 runic) cheers Calvin ---
**Author:** ![Maxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/maxx/32/50891_2.png) [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/42 "2017-11-23T13:56:53Z")
So far I’ve got arcanes 6 times and celestials once out of 446 battles. I think everything is working fine they are just rare. ---
**Author:** ![Mariana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mariana/32/63233_2.png) [@Mariana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mariana)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/43 "2017-11-24T01:31:02Z")
End game player, ranked, not sure how many battles, 11 Arcane. As with pretty much everything free in the game, it’s luck based. ---
**Author:** ![Cyrup](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cyrup/32/50181_2.png) [@Cyrup](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cyrup)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 2:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/44 "2017-11-24T02:52:30Z")
No we have no changed anything. Yes, we have acknowledged this > [@The Great Moa Invasion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/the-great-moa-invasion/33351/68): > > Hey Ralph, we haven’t adjusted the Moa event since it’s creation. The drop rates have not changed. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/a/3/a35b2a255292f7a34088e5a8dbb66c09c7b27f9f.PNG) ---
**Author:** ![Stripy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Stripy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stripy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/45 "2017-11-24T05:44:43Z")
In about 50 pvp battled I have got runic times three at least 4 times. However I do not always pay attention ---
**Author:** ![Saltypatra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/saltypatra/32/59750_2.png) [@Saltypatra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Saltypatra)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/46 "2017-11-24T06:44:13Z")
Here from China to reiterate that we have not adjusted the traitstone drop rates. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![awryan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/awryan/32/74650_2.png) [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 7:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/47 "2017-11-24T07:55:25Z")
Thank you Salty for fixing it. 😉 ![Screenshot_20171124-015326](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/f/3/f302ab88a3f108ce1f4b97ff3e787abdc1ec4f47.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 11:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/48 "2017-11-24T11:50:06Z")
> [@JuaitoR](#): > > If you have access to exploring in a kingdom, the traitstone droprates of a PvP Battle in said kingdom is the same as explore. > i.e. is you have every explore unlocked, PvP = explore traitstone wise Where does this information come from? I am extremely tempted to call this post wrong, but it is always possible I missed an announcement by the devs. ---
**Author:** ![JuaitoR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/juaitor/32/11770_2.png) [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/49 "2017-11-24T13:52:27Z")
It isn’t stated anywhere, but on console we have tasks and one of the rotating tasks is “complete 8 explore battles in X kingdom”. This task can be completed by winning 8 PvP Battles against players from said X kingdom, given that you already have exploring unlocked in that kingdom. So pvp battles count as explore battles. I only do pvp when farming for celestials because of this. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/50 "2017-11-24T16:08:53Z")
The fact that the daily task for explores counts PvP battles incorrectly has nothing to do with the traitstone drop rates. Explore on console has 3x the odds of getting an arcane or celestial compared to PvP, just like it is supposed to. ---
**Author:** ![JuaitoR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/juaitor/32/11770_2.png) [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/51 "2017-11-24T16:27:11Z")
If a pvp battle is counting as explore, it’s more likely that the droprates are the same as explore, not the other way around. In my experience, I get as many runics, arcanes and celestials from PvP as I get from explore. Many PS4 players know this. But feel free to test it for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/52 "2017-11-24T16:51:14Z")
OK, I have done hundreds of explores in the last few weeks and have been getting arcanes at a rate of approximately 1 in every 16 battles. Wednesday, I picked up 27 arcanes in explore over a couple hours while watching Netflix on a second screen. In the hour or two that I played PVP that day, I got arcanes once, though thankfully it was a double-arcane from Moa. I have zero doubt that the drop rates in explore are appropriately adjusted, exactly as they are supposed to be. If you doubt me, feel free to try tracking results in both modes for a few hundred battles and let me know what you find. ---
**Author:** ![JuaitoR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/juaitor/32/11770_2.png) [@JuaitoR](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JuaitoR)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/53 "2017-11-24T17:25:57Z")
Usually, you can get a lot more explores done per hour than PvP battles, especially 3 trophies. This is my reasoning for people getting the ilusion that explore droprates are better. I could have kept quiet about this since talking about it may make devs Nerf PvP droprates to what they are in quests and challenges. I just thought I could help people from wasting too much time exploring, especially for celestials. But since you have zero doubt, my advice doesn’t apply to you. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376/54 "2017-11-24T17:35:03Z")
> [@JuaitoR](#): > > the ilusion that explore droprates are better. No, this isn’t an illusion. Drop rates for Arcanes and Celestials are actually better, per battle, in explore than they are in every other game mode. This was the whole purpose of introducing explore in the first place. When you add in the fact that a player with a fast, purpose-built explore team can clear battles at a rate of more than one per minute, it multiplies the benefit (assuming that your only objective is to obtain Arcanes and Celestials). > [@JuaitoR](#): > > I could have kept quiet about this since talking about it may make devs Nerf PvP droprates to what they are in quests and challenges. Oh, I think I see what you’re saying now. You’re not arguing that explore rates are too low, you think PvP rates are too high. In that case, I still think you’re wrong, but haven’t tracked my results to the same level of detail. Based on my impressions, though they may be unreliable, getting an arcane at a rate of about 1 in 50 battles is consistent with my results. If you’ve got evidence to the contrary, please let me know, and you can send it by PM if you don’t want it public. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/m-i-a-post-moa-nerf/33376.md?page=2)