# Life and Death....š¤¦
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882
**Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback
**Created:** [May 9, 2019, 7:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882 "2019-05-09T07:11:23Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@Dust\_Angel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Dust_Angel)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/21 "2019-05-10T16:46:54Z")
Silver Necropolis faction weapon.
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### Author:  [@hotfood](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/hotfood)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/22 "2019-05-10T18:41:26Z")
Please stop asking for nerf, really. Look at DE now.
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### Author:  [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/23 "2019-05-10T19:06:12Z")
Next chance to get it is May 21st in the Silver Necropolis Tuesday Faction event
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/24 "2019-05-10T19:40:00Z")
> [@hotfood](#):
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> Please stop asking for nerf, really. Look at DE now.
Dragonās Eye became a problem when someone without knowledge of the game nerfed it. When they ānerfedā it they made it OP. So they had to nerf it again.
To understand you correctlyā¦ Youāre worried that a weapon that steals life, enchants itās self, death marks 2 troops, can be stealthed, can be immune to Mana drain, can start with half Mana, and blesses itās self. Would be useless like DE is now if they removed the Blessed part?
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### Author:  [@hotfood](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/hotfood)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/25 "2019-05-10T19:59:00Z")
The bless part is THE characteristic of silver necropolis troop.
Stealth and half mana start arenāt part of the weapon upgrades, rather class dependant.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/26 "2019-05-10T20:23:55Z")
> [@hotfood](#):
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> Stealth and half mana start arenāt part of the weapon upgrades, rather class dependant.
Yepā¦ In other words rather balance dependent.
> [@hotfood](#):
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> The bless part is THE characteristic of silver necropolis troop.
To be fair only 2 troops from that Faction have anything to do with Bless.
And hereās some precedent where the weapon shares zero characteristics with the faction. (I think these are right but since factions arenāt listed on the weaponā¦ Itās not easy to confirm.)
Primal Rift
Sea of Sorrow
So unfortunately, balance matters more than lore.
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### Author:  [@hotfood](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/hotfood)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/27 "2019-05-10T20:43:31Z")
I came to terms that weapons are better than others.
If there is one thing about silver necropolis, it really is bless as evidenced with Vanya, and maybe death mark. Life and death is one of the few weapons they got right with troops characteristic and kingdom. And you are right, other weapon from other factions are completely off. It doesnāt mean that they should make weapons unrelated to the troops in the future. In short, they screwed up in the past.
Now life steal is debatable. It is undead so life steal. However none of the troops have life steal. But it is called life and death.
The other debatable trait is enchant.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/28 "2019-05-10T22:58:51Z")
> [@hotfood](#):
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> The other debatable trait is enchant.
They have never changed a weapon upgrade.
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/29 "2019-05-11T00:22:16Z")
I know! For a brief time after DE was nerfed, I faced a huge variety of PvP teams. Rope Dart ascended, but it still doesnāt really do as well on PvP defense. Over the past few weeks Iāve noticed the smart players have figured out good anti-Rope Dart defenses. The secret is obvious: freeze. This whole cycle of stimulus and response was made possible by nerfing the single weapon that had no very effective offensive counter to the point it was better to skip the match than give it a try.
It made the game temporarily harder in terms of Delve ascension, but now you can buy enough stats to cut through level 500 like a hot knife through butter so nobody cares anymore.
Oh, Iām sorry, I mean āThatās right, after DE was nerfed I had to face more than 2 different teams in PvP, I quit the game and started a hotel chain instead because it wasnāt worth playing when PvP wasnāt an endless string of alternating Rope Dart, Double Lust, and Fire Bomb teams.ā
Life and Death isnāt even as useful as DE was in terms of events. Its only purpose is āa ridiculously effective defense that does what everyone thought Draakulis would do.ā In one neat package, it has a counter to every possible counter that could defeat it.
It looked fine on paper, but itās bad for the game. PvP will be better without it.
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### Author:  [@en9nhcet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/en9nhcet)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2019, 8:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/30 "2019-05-11T08:54:05Z")
id rather the ability to set defends be removed than keep going along with this endless cycle of meta team shows up all griefers put it up stays that way till nerfed or better grief team appearsā¦pvp isnt live anyway just have devs make bunch of teams and pop them in randomly like delve room teams.
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### Author:  [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2019, 10:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/31 "2019-05-11T10:28:27Z")
Give me that crap any day of this shit
Who the hell is making the weapons these days? They are either unusable crap or overpowered and designed to piss off the people fighting them.
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### Author:  [@Fvffar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fvffar)
#### Post date: [June 5, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/32 "2019-06-05T23:00:32Z")
Meta Player class.
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### Author:  [@Caglayantilsim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Caglayantilsim)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/33 "2019-06-21T19:38:44Z")
I canāt win against this weapon
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### Author:  [@rojo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/rojo)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/34 "2019-06-21T19:43:55Z")
I can but only if itās a matter of life and death. š
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/35 "2019-06-21T20:25:03Z")
Try countering it with Essence of Evil and Divina combo (the rest of the team is up to you, but EoE nerfs the offending hero, and Divinia protects your team)
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### Author:  [@BelethS](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/BelethS)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/36 "2019-06-21T20:38:53Z")
Skeleton key and stealthed thief rolls L&D in the ground fast.
Even if it manages to fire, it disables Greed, thatās cannon fodder anyway.
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### Author:  [@PeperandSalt](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/PeperandSalt)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 12:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/37 "2019-06-22T00:35:40Z")
I know itās old. But I want to see that š§
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/38 "2019-06-22T01:17:37Z")
Try countering a Stealthy hero with Essence of Evil.
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### Author:  [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/39 "2019-06-22T01:20:04Z")
Thatās what diviniaās forāstalling in the event EoE canāt snipe quickly.
And my team does have two other troops to help mitigate the stealthy-hero problem. One does AoE, the other random targetsāneither much cares about Arachnean Weaver, stealthy heroes, or any other stall-y team.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/life-and-death/54882/40 "2019-06-22T01:22:59Z")
> [@Magnusimus](#):
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> Thatās what diviniaās forāstalling in the event EoE canāt snipe quickly.
Facing a stall Defense sucks, but it happens.
Using a stall offense in Ranked PvP is a waste of time. If it takes longer than 2 minutes to win a match then you lost.
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