# Legendary tasks undid the entire (claimed) point of the guild update and has made leading a guild a miserable exercise in frustration **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [February 10, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850 "2017-02-10T00:40:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/122 "2017-02-10T16:01:48Z")
> [@Sol](#): > > Your point is valid, but even if you double the number of guilds to 30, that are getting to seal cap and legendary tasks, you are still only at 4.5% of just steam players. Include the rest of the population and that goes down. > > Is that really where those reward divisions need to be? Are the other 45%ish of the players (at least) doing just as much as the 5%ish? If so then yes, something must be changed. It seems that you are assuming that the guilds above yours don’t have to deal with these issues as well… When in reality i think they just accept it as “the nature of the beast” and that they “grab the bull by the horns”. That’s what Intrim I and II did a while ago and they achieved a lot with the given system in place. Ok, i can assume and understand that it’s not a healthy behavior for the game, but it hardly strikes me as an unfair system… ---
**Author:** ![Sol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sol/32/1902_2.png) [@Sol](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sol)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/123 "2017-02-10T16:01:55Z")
> [@ogunther](#): > > Yeah @Sol’s numbers are definitely off. We’re currently 29th, are only a semi-casual/semi-hardcore guild and have made 40k per week for months. > > Also, if memory serves, the Devs did 100% expect Legendary Tasks and the 40k chest to only be obtainable by the hardcore guilds. If anything, I think they’re surprised as many of us have been able to obtain them as we have. I would love to see real numbers. Unfortunately I don’t think that’s going to happen. Regardless of my numbers, the facts of my post stand. Top 16 guild not meeting seal cap for six weeks and I can’t even remember the last time a legendary task was completed. Turnover of two or three players a week make them difficult to reach. Maybe OP and I are in the wrong guild. Though I think the point of OP’s post was wanting less guild churn, not more. ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/124 "2017-02-10T16:03:41Z")
You all are definitely putting up a fight. I have to be very careful because the last time I said that to you, you all passed us by 10k trophies. 😂 So don’t do that again please. Let us have our moment of glory damnit Ogunther. Just think, if we get ahead of you it just gives you all something to chase.😉 ---
**Author:** ![ogunther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ogunther/32/1464_2.png) [@ogunther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ogunther)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/125 "2017-02-10T16:04:57Z")
Lol no promises but I think the natural ebb and flow of guild progression favors you all at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Grundulum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/82dd89/32.png) [@Grundulum](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Grundulum)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/126 "2017-02-10T16:06:27Z")
> [@Sol](#): > > I would love to see real numbers. Unfortunately I don’t think that’s going to happen. The devs have been quite open with (some) data in the past. Couldn’t hurt to ask them and see if they will share. I’m curious also, but (as I said earlier) thoroughly unmotivated. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/127 "2017-02-10T16:06:56Z")
Intrim pissed a lot of people off in the process too. To be fair, some of the players that were most caustic are now gone but let’s not pretend that “Intrim” wasn’t a dirty word around here for a while. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/128 "2017-02-10T16:09:42Z")
For me, it all keeps coming back to the elusive mythics, the only troops I don’t yet have. The top players in the top guilds have many, many more chances to get them than I do. And when you combine the volume of chances with the actual drop rates, those players have a magnitude higher likelihood to get them. In fact, they are getting them, while my only hope is to get the exclusives during that week. If I don’t get them then, I likely never will because I simply don’t have the chances they do. ---
**Author:** ![Sol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/sol/32/1902_2.png) [@Sol](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sol)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/129 "2017-02-10T16:09:48Z")
> [@Grundulum](#): > > The devs have been quite open with (some) data in the past. Couldn’t hurt to ask them and see if they will share. I’m curious also, but (as I said earlier) thoroughly unmotivated. That is a fair point. This is my official request to see more data regarding seal cap and legendary task completion and their relation to guild rank. @Sirrian ---
**Author:** ![ogunther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ogunther/32/1464_2.png) [@ogunther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ogunther)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/130 "2017-02-10T16:20:16Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > For me, it all keeps coming back to the elusive mythics, the only troops I don’t yet have. I’d argue that you are (again) trying to put a band-aid on an underlying issue instead of fixing the issue. Having 100% RNG for all cards is going to (statistically) result in a certain amount of players getting completely screwed and a larger number of players suffering from bad luck (getting @DonBoba’d). In physical card games this is easily resolved through card trading. Even if you have the worst luck ever, you still can trade with other players to mitigate that bad luck. In a digital card game (such as GoW) that has no trading, bad luck is lethal (sort of speak). When DonBoba got 6 Draakulis cards, he couldn’t do anything with them except cry himself to sleep (excuse my artistic license, Don! ;)) and disenchant 2 of them. There was no way for him to mitigate that bad luck; his only option is to hope that RNG stops hating him or stop playing. That is the real issue. Digital card games without trading need to have some kind of system in place to offset that kind of bad luck; the same kind of bad luck it sounds like you’re having. More RNG isn’t the solution, that’s part of the problem. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/131 "2017-02-10T16:22:50Z")
It’s not about the RNG. Slot machines are slot machines. However, slot machines are much more likely to pay out when you’re putting $50 in them vs. $5. And yes, it’s a band-aid. I’m not suggesting it’s a long-term solution but sometimes band-aids are needed to stop the bleeding and provide a bit of peace of mind… ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/132 "2017-02-10T16:23:41Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > In fact, they are getting them, while my only hope is to get the exclusives during that week. If I don’t get them then, I likely never will because I simply don’t have the chances they do. I’d have to disagree with this assertion. I’m missing two mythics. The very first two that came out. If I went chasing them, I wouldn’t have my stash. Without my stash, I’d be in the same boat as any other player that relies on weekly generated resources to get mythics. So basically, I have barely any hope of ever getting War or Plague. I’ve had to make peace with that. ---
**Author:** ![ogunther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ogunther/32/1464_2.png) [@ogunther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ogunther)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/133 "2017-02-10T16:25:27Z")
Especially since the Apocalypse troops will never be in a Weekly Event (unless something changes) so we can’t use Event Keys to get them. I’m missing Famine 😿 ---
**Author:** ![Spherix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/spherix/32/2388_2.png) [@Spherix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Spherix)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/134 "2017-02-10T16:25:51Z")
I’ll admit that being perspicuous is often not my primary goal. @Jainus once accused me of being Sir Humphrey. Given that I had to look up who that was, I think I can safely say I’m not him, but I can see why someone might get the two of us confused. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/135 "2017-02-10T16:26:00Z")
The simple fact remains, a couple of high level guilds have gotten Mythics from legendary tasks. That’s not a chance to get them, they actually have gotten them. The only way that’s reasonably possible is if you complete a high volume of legendary tasks. How about this for a solution? Remove mythics from legendary tasks. That also solves the problem but punishes everyone instead. ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/136 "2017-02-10T16:26:22Z")
> [@ogunther](#): > > That is the real issue. Digital card games without trading need to have some kind of system in place to offset that kind of bad luck; Seriously, this game needs pity timers so badly. I really think that would end a lot of frustration and resentment that happens in this game. ---
**Author:** ![ogunther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ogunther/32/1464_2.png) [@ogunther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ogunther)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/137 "2017-02-10T16:27:11Z")
100% agree. Even if they were absurdly high anything would be better than not having them. ---
**Author:** ![Isis\_Kitty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/isis_kitty/32/9189_2.png) [@Isis\_Kitty](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Isis_Kitty)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/138 "2017-02-10T16:28:37Z")
While I agree with most of your post, I am in the small part of the community that adores this game partly because of the guild community. Very few F2P games have guilds that are actually families, that work together towards a common goal, and all reap the benefits. I think if it weren’t for feeling like I was a part of a larger whole, I might have left a while back from boredom, no matter how much I love to match the gems, or collect the cards. ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/139 "2017-02-10T16:31:08Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > Intrim pissed a lot of people off in the process too. To be fair, some of the players that were most caustic are now gone but let’s not pretend that “Intrim” wasn’t a dirty word around here for a while. I just can’t argue with the results they obtained, but as i said the behavior/method might not be the most desirable or interesting. I believe that similar results could be obtained with a better method and leadership, but it’s all up to the people involved as i see it, honestly. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/140 "2017-02-10T16:34:14Z")
Yep. I mean right now, my angst is directed against Legendary tasks and top level guilds, but let’s be honest - there are casual players that have literally played hundreds of less hours than me that have twice as many Mythics as I do. I’d love to say “that’s life, move on” but it’s just not possible. ---
**Author:** ![ogunther](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ogunther/32/1464_2.png) [@ogunther](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/ogunther)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850/141 "2017-02-10T16:37:31Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > How about this for a solution? Remove mythics from legendary tasks. That also solves the problem but punishes everyone instead. I really don’t understand this scorched earth mentality. My guild has never received a Mythic from a LT but I’m not hating on the guilds that have. It’s exciting to know that Mythics are a possibility. Take them out and most people wouldn’t care about LT’s at all. You have to see that’s no solution. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850.md?page=6) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/legendary-tasks-undid-the-entire-claimed-point-of-the-guild-update-and-has-made-leading-a-guild-a-miserable-exercise-in-frustration/19850.md?page=8)