# Kraken-Forest Troll-Mab-Kraken defense teams...anyone find any good counters?
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586
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**Created:** [September 21, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586 "2017-09-21T16:15:49Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Arelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arelana)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/21 "2017-10-05T18:45:45Z")
1. I never said you were wrong.
2. I doubt 14 million people use this forum.
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/22 "2017-10-05T18:48:07Z")
And i didnt say you specifically since i remember well who said i was wrong amd it wasnt youā¦
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### Author:  [@Trajic](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Trajic)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/23 "2017-10-05T18:56:02Z")
Also, I believe that @Tacet suggested in another thread that Mercy works fine. It can deny purples on turn 1, or get you rid of freezes somewhen mid-game.
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### Author:  [@Emos](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Emos)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/24 "2017-10-05T22:16:31Z")
I ran that exact same team except with DawnBringer during last weeks event and it absolutely rocked! I now have it in my rotation and even without the 10-20% bonuses itās still very effective. Seemed to be a very good Defend team too š
Desert Troll
Fire Giant
Titan w DawnBringer
Infernus
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### Author:  [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/25 "2017-10-07T02:34:09Z")
Savage Hunter
Troglodyte
Rock Troll
Keghammer
Kill Troll with Keghammer (trog-boosted)
Then you have Hunter in front with 40 attack (double on Kraken) with 66% chance to cast on Kraken for triple damage.
Last 2 troop canāt be devoured
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### Author:  [@Drathas](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Drathas)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/26 "2017-10-07T04:13:35Z")
I tried a Savage Hunter/Keghammer build but it felt like it needed more oomph, didnāt have rock Troll either. I didnāt think of using a Trog! genius. šš»
So went for the team I made above and focused on removing the Mab first.
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### Author:  [@Maxx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Maxx)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2017, 12:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/27 "2017-10-11T12:09:53Z")
I have been having pretty good luck with Krystenax/Krystenax/Dragon Soul/Elemaugrim I have lost around 5 or 6 battles out of 200 against that team this week. Krystenax must be full traited because you are taking itās colours off the board and Elemaugrim must have the impervious trait. The only time I cast Elemaugrim is when it will kill both Krakens because if it misses it can fill Krakens but if itās only Mab itās fine because she canāt do anything to Ele or Dragon Soul. I also never take skulls because with Krystenaxs flying she canāt be entangled and with stone skin and Eles third trait she can take a lot of hits.
What I do is take a purple asap to get enchant going on Nax and then rush up either Dragon Soul or Nax depending on the board if the board is full of blues or greens I just rush up the Nax. I only ever cast Dragon Soul and 1 Krystenax I always keep a Nax full for when either Troll or Kraken gets ups. If Troll is up I remove greens or if Kraken is up I remove blues even when the Troll is dead I still remove blues because it usually gives Kraken a lot of extra turn damage and it fills Mab and allows her to cast and get an extra turn.
If you can remove enough blues and greens then the Kraken/Troll team sucks and can be beaten easily but you will get bad boards and the ai will get lucky sometimes and it will still destroy you
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2017, 1:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/28 "2017-10-11T13:16:26Z")
> [@Would Kraken still be meta without devour?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/would-kraken-still-be-meta-without-devour/31152/15):
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> You remain the only person who thinks that dragons with explosions is a counter to troll/kraken. It isnāt. Itās a good team that can win fast and often, for sure. But it isnāt a counter team, and exploding the board is very risky against meta teams. Letās agree to disagree. But I canāt accept that you are doing something special with this team that @drathas or @RiverSong or me or anyone else isnāt able to do. Yes itās a good team. No itās not a reliable counter.
> [@Would Kraken still be meta without devour?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/would-kraken-still-be-meta-without-devour/31152/19):
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> When you say TDS, you say explosions. BTW, your team is my team, only with more Krystenax, and I win again meta with this team only if the stars align right.
> [@Would Kraken still be meta without devour?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/would-kraken-still-be-meta-without-devour/31152/29):
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> I read your post. You have a KrystenaxX2 - Dragon Soul - Sylvanimora team. Two of your four troops are exploders. I understand that KrystenaxX2 takes away green and purple from the board, at a high price if I may add. I can ever understand you use Sylvanimora for his webbing trait and never set him off - which would cause a stripe explosion. But TDS has to be there for a reason. My reason for using Dragon Soul is exploding the board and feeding his fellow dragons. Also pain and sorrow for all eā¦
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### Author:  [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2017, 9:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/29 "2017-10-13T09:17:58Z")
Wisp
Loyalty
Wisp
Keghammer
Use wisp before you fire keg
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### Author:  [@Nephilim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nephilim)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/30 "2017-10-13T17:21:12Z")
Use the same team.
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### Author:  [@akots](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/akots)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/31 "2017-10-13T18:03:18Z")
Surprisingly reliable counter, although still not 100% proof, more like 98% proof, is any looping team with Alchemist and Hellcat. You can put one or two Krakens at the bottom, Sheggra, Sekhma, Gardās Avatar, King Highforge, Famine, Astral Spirit to remove green, etc. I tried about two dozen cards, it is mostly working well. There are a few hiccups of course but so are with any other enemy decks. Most important is not to rely on skull damage when Forest troll is on top, remove green rapidly, and have some tolerance against freeze. For example, HC-Al-Kraken-Kraken is pretty tolerant to freeze because Krakens donāt use red or yellow. If using King Highforge, try to cast as soon as possible to stun Mab and remove the threat of getting frozen.
And I think I finally found decent red team for GW that works OK. Carnex-Valkyrie-Tesla-King Highforge. This team is not good for AoE high damage looping decks like dragons or wisps but is resilient enough in most other cases and has a decent summoner.
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### Author:  [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 7:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/32 "2017-10-14T07:30:24Z")
> [@akots](#):
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> any looping team with Alchemist and Hellcat
Not _any_ looping teamā¦ but add Mercy in to cleanse any freeze and accelerate yellows onto the boardā¦
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### Author:  [@Evpatij000](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Evpatij000)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 7:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/33 "2017-10-14T07:45:52Z")
RiverSong, in this team Iām using Khorvash on the 1st place. \>90% wins, even against 9900+ power teams. Krakens devour last 2 troops while Khorvash makes a game.
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### Author:  [@DoubleTexasT](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DoubleTexasT)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 9:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/34 "2017-10-14T09:53:48Z")
Most of the time. I just being in the mirror match in pvp. keghammer is also plan b. skull tap it then nuke it will kill the troll at the beginning of the match,
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### Author:  [@akots](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/akots)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/35 "2017-10-14T12:53:45Z")
> [@Jainus](#):
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> Not any looping teamā¦ but add Mercy in to cleanse any freeze and accelerate yellows onto the boardā¦
I tried Mercy as well. It makes it slightly more reliable but also more slow. Also, Mercy in this setup is one-shot card, you wonāt be able to charge her spell again because all her colors are removed. Reliability is very subjective because it is already very reliable, so maybe it can be increased from 98% to 99%, IDK, it is hardly possible to lose either way. Fastest PvP clearing times are actually with two Krakens due to blobs glitching. If this signature āblob featureā of the game is not abused, using Nobend Brothers and Queen Grapplepot lowers reliability (cannot get frozen even on a single card, still playable though even if frozen) but gives faster clearing times.
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### Author:  [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/36 "2017-10-14T16:24:06Z")
I decided to investigate further and see if @vangor was right about his dragon teamā¦ it kinda works, but for me has been less reliable than just using any other fast or good teamā¦ You canāt often bank on having a Krystenax cast ready to remove the greens when the troll fills upā¦
I have had the most success with:
Keghammer
Krystenax
Dragon Soul
Behemoth or Elemaugrim
Keghammerās spell plus one skull match or any other spell cast almost always kills the troll before it can castā¦ then charge TDS or Nax and can usually outpace the krakens for damageā¦ impervious in the last slot is essentialā¦
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### Author:  [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/37 "2017-10-14T17:33:55Z")
Lolā¦ Only took you 2 weeks to actually try it and i am sorry it didnt work out for you.
Dont feel bad thoā¦ There will be no need to try any more of my suggestios since there wonāt be anyā¦
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### Author:  [@YankeePhoneGuy](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/YankeePhoneGuy)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/38 "2017-10-14T19:52:39Z")
Iāve had great luck with these guys
Forest Troll
Infernus
Loyalty
Doomclaw (double devour happens often)
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### Author:  [@Courtaud](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Courtaud)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/39 "2017-10-22T13:51:27Z")
> [@Jainus](#):
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> > any looping team with Alchemist and Hellcat
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> Not any looping teamā¦ but add Mercy in to cleanse any freeze and accelerate yellows onto the boardā¦
Alchemist, Hellcat, Goblin Rocket, Nobend Brothers. It works almost against everything, but itās s.l.o.w. and the loop once started must never touch the ground.
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### Author:  [@Brev](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Brev)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/kraken-forest-troll-mab-kraken-defense-teams-anyone-find-any-good-counters/30586/40 "2017-10-29T21:58:47Z")
THANK YOU sincerely River Song for your suggested counter to this team. I have been considering quitting the entire game because of this team. It shows up so often in PvP in one form of another and everything I tried had a success rate of about 30%. With this team so far I am 3 for 3 and that is such an improvement. š
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