# Khorvash vs Deathknight **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [May 11, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938 "2017-05-11T17:42:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/21 "2017-05-12T03:22:25Z")
I use Stonehammer as lead troop in almost all GW fights, even if off color, for his ability to neutralize Deathknight ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/22 "2017-05-12T03:24:45Z")
> [@pilsken](#): > > So you have to take impervious, immunity troops or cleanse (mercy) afterwards. Apothecary can also cleanse all as a blue troop. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/23 "2017-05-12T03:25:06Z")
I deny the existence of Stonehammer but yeah if he actually were to exist he would be another blue stun. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:51am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/24 "2017-05-12T06:51:25Z")
> [@Mithran](#): > > Khorvash still wins dont destroy my moment of joy, i dislike khorvash so much 😅 😆 anyway i agree with @GemsCollector : > [@GemsCollector](#): > > 1. Deal damage > 2. Check if damaged troop died > 3. Apply status effect > > Steps 2 and 3 should be swapped, not step 3 pushed all the way up. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/25 "2017-05-12T07:09:50Z")
> [@GemsCollector](#): > > any troop with Knockout would do the full damage to Gorgotha I’d argue that this was intended. The Knockout trait (stun to cancel enemy traits) was devised exactly to help counter the otherwise super-strong Gorgotha (or even Stoneskin) defence. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:36am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/26 "2017-05-12T07:36:58Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > I’d argue that this was intended. The Knockout trait (stun to cancel enemy traits) was devised exactly to help counter the otherwise super-strong Gorgotha (or even Stoneskin) defence. sorry im a bit confused right now and cant check, so please explain to me am i right on this: there is the trait that applies stun on skull damage (knockout) and then there suppose to come a new trait that ignores traits at skull damage if the second trait is meant to precisely counter skull damage reductions, isnt it more valid to leave knockout with the “delay” effect of the stun being applied later? - that delay would be the only difference between these two traits when it comes to countering skull reduction then otherwise i dont see a point why devs would plan on creatign that other trait… impervious/thick head armor reducing troops are such a niche… ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/27 "2017-05-12T07:46:22Z")
Are you talking about Enraged? If yes: Not a trait, but a new spell effect (like Barrier or Enchanted). And it’s not anymore a spoil (from Console 3.0 patchnote): > [@CONSOLE: 3.0 Patch Notes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/console-3-0-patch-notes/23951/1): > > Enraged > > Troops which are enraged will deal double skull damage during their next skull attack It seems devs nerfed it and it doesn’t anymore ignore traits… ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/28 "2017-05-12T08:01:39Z")
in that case @Jainus is probably right ---
**Author:** ![GemsCollector](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@GemsCollector](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsCollector)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 9:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/29 "2017-05-12T09:16:13Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > The Knockout trait (stun to cancel enemy traits) was devised exactly to help counter the otherwise super-strong Gorgotha (or even Stoneskin) defence. Well, it would be interesting to see the devs point of view on that matter, but as I understood it Knockout troops were meant to hit like any other and then apply stun, so that the next hit would do full damage (unless the stun was cleansed in the mean-time of course). Maybe I’m right, maybe wrong - I don’t recall it ever being stated clearly. BTW Stoneskin, Granite Skin and such aren’t the only traits important in this situation. BD’s freezing and damage reflection (Gloom Leaf, War, something else too) comes to mind immediately, maybe there are others. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 10:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/30 "2017-05-12T10:29:50Z")
to add another depth to the concept: with recent decision for devs to make death mark counterable - adding 1 turn delay - wouldnt it make more sense if they wished stun to be also counterable - keeping that one turn delay (to allow cleanse)? ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/31 "2017-05-12T12:38:26Z")
You’re giving up 25% of your points on off-color days. Why do that? ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 12:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/32 "2017-05-12T12:41:58Z")
That is how cool Stonehammer is! ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/33 "2017-05-12T15:12:45Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > You’re giving up 25% of your points on off-color days. Why do that? Because winning a match with 3 colors \> losing a match with 4 colors. And having fun \> not having fun Furthermore, Deathknight is the single most idiotic thing ever added to the game. No troop should be so potent that you are pigeonholed into building your team around assuming you will face it. Seconded only to the devour mechanic which is not only instakill but megabuff as well. ---
**Author:** ![pilsken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/pilsken/32/40429_2.png) [@pilsken](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/pilsken)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 6:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/34 "2017-05-13T06:42:18Z")
> [@Ozball](#): > > > [@pilsken](#): > > > > So you have to take impervious, immunity troops or cleanse (mercy) afterwards. > > Apothecary can also cleanse all as a blue troop. Yes for blue color but in brown only Emperina can cleanse one troop 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/35 "2017-05-13T06:47:56Z")
I swear this was mentioned somewhere, but I can’t seem to find it in this thread… Both brown and blue are covered for Cleanse all with the Sheggra’s Heart hero weapon. > **[Sheggra's Heart - Weapons - Gems of War Database](https://gowdb.com/weapons/1074)** > > Sheggra's Heart (14 Blue/Brown): Create 7 Red Gems and Cleanse all Allies. Give \[Magic + 1\] Life to a random Ally. EDIT: Also just for clarity’s sake, I’m not suggesting a change or anything isn’t needed. I’m just trying to help provide counters in the mean time. ---
**Author:** ![pilsken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/pilsken/32/40429_2.png) [@pilsken](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/pilsken)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 7:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/36 "2017-05-13T07:39:10Z")
hmm, yes thx for support, it’s still difficult: Khorvash, Stonehammer and Sheggra’s Heart share the same colors and in brown color Villager/Werewolf can supply mana to them. I will try this combo. ---
**Author:** ![Ozball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ozball/32/36110_2.png) [@Ozball](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ozball)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 7:40am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/37 "2017-05-13T07:40:56Z")
Also for Brown, don’t discount Ragnagord’s explosions for generating mana (Same with Gorgotha, but he’s harder to obtain), Ragnagord even has Fast to help speed things up initially. ---
**Author:** ![GemsCollector](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@GemsCollector](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsCollector)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/38 "2017-05-13T18:09:10Z")
There’s more to the way how _exactly_ spells work. I just had a battle where I used Krystenax against DK. Krystenax spell clearly states: “Deal damage and remove gems (it has to be at the same moment as gems boost the spell). Summon Silver Drakon” - so the summoning should happen _after_ dealing damage, when DK is already dead and his curse triggered. Yet when I killed the enemy DK with this spell the summoned Drakon immediately became Death Marked. So here the order of things is: 1. Deal damage 2. Do the rest of the spell 3. Only now check if the enemy died. It’s definitely not consistent with stunning while dealing damage. ---
**Author:** ![pilsken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/pilsken/32/40429_2.png) [@pilsken](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/pilsken)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 6:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938/39 "2017-05-18T06:29:14Z")
Almost same situation as last week. Fight against deathknight, 2xdeath, famine. No stun luck with Stonehammer/Khorvash before death of deathknight with Khorvash, death mark killed my full filled mercy instant. Only Stonehammer survived this slaughter. Better play with full immunity 😉 [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/khorvash-vs-deathknight/23938.md?page=1)