# Keep keys before patch 1.0.8 ...? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [December 8, 2015, 12:47pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771 "2015-12-08T12:47:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aelthwyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/aelthwyn/32/4645_2.png) [@Aelthwyn](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Aelthwyn)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 12:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/41 "2015-12-09T12:35:49Z")
I intended to keep my keys but this new kingdom made me change my mind. I got Dimetraxia, Psion and the Ice witch, which is one of the 4 troops I didn’t have yet. So I am happy! Considering that 2 of the 3 troops I am still looking for are not available in the chests yet, I am going to keep my keys and gems from now on. ---
**Author:** ![orbin111](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/orbin111/32/509_2.png) [@orbin111](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/orbin111)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/43 "2015-12-09T16:49:35Z")
> [@KAYA43V3R](#): > > patch 1.0.8: 450 gems = 50 gems keyactually 450 gems = 40 magic keyconvert: 50 magic =\> 50 x ( 1 gems key + 2 gold key) = 450 gems +30000 gold > > Will you convert your gold into iron key before patch …?And for gems convert into magic…? I beleive you should rather use 40 magic keys for conversion explanation. Lets say: You have now 450 Gems and you need to decide if it is better to invest them now into magic keys and convert them orbuy directly gem keys after the patch. Now you invest 450 gems and receive 40 magic keys. Convert them and you have **40 gem keys + 80 gold keys.** After the patch, you would have **50 gem keys for 450 gems**. What is better 10 gem keys or 80 gold keys? ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/44 "2015-12-09T16:56:00Z")
I think it will depend of how good high level traitstones are. Though I think they will be highly valuable, we should all wait the second video, which i hope will come out in next couple hour (yes I am to hyped and want more insights xD ) ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/45 "2015-12-09T17:54:38Z")
If you have a relatively incomplete collection, the 80 Gold Keys are probably worth more than 10 Gem Keys. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/46 "2015-12-09T17:58:25Z")
I spent 40 magic keys to get some of the new troops. I got 1x psion 1x carnex 1x venoxia none of the new epics 4x stone giants 4x ancient horror 5x herdmaster Definitely evidence of weighting there lol. Pretty disappointing about the UR really. ---
**Author:** ![melkathi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/melkathi/32/131_2.png) [@melkathi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/melkathi)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 6:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/47 "2015-12-09T18:07:31Z")
I’ll trade you for the Psion and Carnex 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/48 "2015-12-09T18:21:21Z")
Id trade my carnex for a staff of madness and a hobgoblin… ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/49 "2015-12-09T21:48:10Z")
How about for my 273 Dire Wolves? ---
**Author:** ![utfanx2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/utfanx2/32/525_2.png) [@utfanx2](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/utfanx2)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 12:16am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/50 "2015-12-10T00:16:55Z")
I miss using cheat engine on Diablo 2, and summoning that many [Dire Wolves](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyb7L-PduWo). Crashed single player so many times. As for this game, my newest team is: Hero(Winter’s Woe) Dire Wolf Carnex Gorgotha Since hunter’s mark doubles damage from destroyed skulls, the exploders do some decent damage. Also, having two status effects active on the first enemy looks awesome: ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/4/344aabc9c6b66805ea94ab9d0729c7ceacb2548f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![turintuor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/turintuor/32/4097_2.png) [@turintuor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/turintuor)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/51 "2015-12-10T04:30:13Z")
About troops only (without considering runes): Maybe using the magic keys is the best option. 1 magic key → 1 gems key + 2 gold key \<=\> 1 ultrarare or better + 2 common or better → 1 ultrarare or better + 2 common or rare For example, you cannot obtain 1 epic + 1 ultrare with 1 gems key + 2 gold key… In fact, I think that the 2 gold keys are pretty bad because you can gain common or rare troops only and so no legendary… 1 gem key + 2 glory keys will be more fair. Or 3 gem keys… The same for 1 steel key → 3 glory keys. But my wife opened 16 magic keys yesterday and she always have 1 ultrare+2common… Maybe the magic keys have been nerfed. Did someone opened many magic keys and can confirm this point? Machiknight maybe? 50 (ie 50 troops) gem keys compared to 40 magic keys (120 troops) is I think too bad… Once again I didn’t take care about runes and I focus mainly on troop farming which may be useful for the fusion feature. Or not ;-). ---
**Author:** ![Nimhain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nimhain/32/47049_2.png) [@Nimhain](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nimhain)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/52 "2015-12-10T04:32:55Z")
> [@turintuor](#): > > Maybe the magic keys have been nerfed. No keys have be nerfed. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/53 "2015-12-10T08:03:08Z")
Hmmm I didn’t really party too close of attention when opening them, I should have. It does seem like I got mid commons than usual but that might have been recall boss. Also, I don’t open magic keys very often. ---
**Author:** ![Darkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkness/32/2712_2.png) [@Darkness](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkness)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 10:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/54 "2015-12-12T10:56:06Z")
> [@Tacet](#): > > Keep irons, use magics. Why? Why would you keep one type of keys but use the other before the patch? Am I missing someting here? ---
**Author:** ![KAYA43V3R](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kaya43v3r/32/312_2.png) [@KAYA43V3R](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KAYA43V3R)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 11:35am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/55 "2015-12-12T11:35:57Z")
Like @Tacet I use magic key to increase the number of epic and legendarie troop in stock for the sacrifice (show the preview parts 2 : [1.0.8 Preview Part 2 – Upgrading Troops – Gems of War](http://gemsofwar.com/1-0-8-preview-part-2-upgrading-troops/)) But i keep my iron key because i’ve enough common and rare for the sacrifice and i prefer to convert them into glory key (show the preview parts 1 : [1.0.8 Preview Part 1 – Chests and Keys – Gems of War](http://gemsofwar.com/1-0-8-preview-part-1-chests-and-keys/)) The sacrifice can help you to decide if you need to use key or keep them If you have enough troop, keep it, otherwise use it 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 11:52am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/56 "2015-12-12T11:52:10Z")
As I’ve said before, we really need to see some detailed patch notes, including drop rates, before we can make an informed decision. If someone happens to have 100 Magic keys on their hands, knowing the ratios of epics, legendaries, and various traitstones WILL make a huge difference. And we need a couple days to work with it all, especially if we also need to make similar decisions for Iron vs Gold keys (admittedly, not likely). @Sirrian can you chime in on this soon? I mean, I keep saying ‘new is better’, but if it’s not for some reason … I don’t know. I personally hate feeling stupid like that when I make assumptions that go wrong. Like mass disenchanting legendaries. If those traitstones have the same chances as their respective troop tiers _and_ are substituted for them, then things get, at the very least, hard to figure out. Maybe more legendaries to burn IS better. I personally feel like dropping some more money on the game myself, since its kept me happy all year - but I’d want to know whether to do it _now_ or _after_ the patch. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/57 "2015-12-12T17:59:04Z")
I highly doubt we will have drop rates released to us, OR “detailed patch notes” before the activation. That just hasn’t been the case before with other patches. I hope I’m wrong thigh and they release all this info and say “it’s been submitted, make your decisions soon!” ---
**Author:** ![xSidarothx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/xsidarothx/32/478_2.png) [@xSidarothx](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/xSidarothx)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/58 "2015-12-12T18:23:21Z")
I highly doubt that too. I guess they are lacking the necessary manpower to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/59 "2015-12-12T18:25:31Z")
Perhaps @sirrian @crowdedworlds @nimhain could comment and let us know which way they are leaning so we can be better informed with our resources? ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/60 "2015-12-12T18:29:41Z")
Of course, whatever that VIP thing is will probably lead to a statistically better investment afterwards, so we ought to only be spending after. Probably. I guess the question is what to do with the ones we already have. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771/61 "2015-12-12T18:40:06Z")
you know, that’s a very valid point I hadn’t considered; will using resources get better returns with higher VIP levels? I definitely plan on getting my vip level up, maybe not to 10 but as high as I can reasonably afford. If having that higher changes what I’ll get for spending my keys, I’ll want to factor that into my decision. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/keep-keys-before-patch-1-0-8/1771.md?page=4)