# Jinx does it work at all? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [March 30, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042 "2016-03-30T13:15:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/21 "2016-03-30T14:38:27Z")
My opinion is that I think computer has adventage on some traits in the game. I think that is obvious by now. ---
**Author:** ![Macawi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/macawi/32/21289_2.png) [@Macawi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Macawi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/22 "2016-03-30T14:41:05Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > So computer has adventage on some traits in the game. I think that is obvious by now. If I can give ya a little advice… Don’t overthink all of these things, the game is what it is and nothing can be done about it from our side. What you’re doing will take the fun factor away from the game for you. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/23 "2016-03-30T14:41:46Z")
Yeah, I will softly calm down. 😌 ---
**Author:** ![bluebehir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/bluebehir/32/1554_2.png) [@bluebehir](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/bluebehir)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/24 "2016-03-30T14:48:08Z")
> [@mattlistener](#): > > Maybe what you’re looking for is the literal words “Mana Surge”? Those words don’t appear because it says “Extra Turn” instead. When you do four of a kind matches, look where it’s going to go and calculate how much mana will arrive there (4+traits). Sometimes it will be 7+traits. To be sure, I do not see the words “Mana Surge” on 4 of a kind. But your argument that the reason is because it says “Extra Turn” instead is false. When I get 5 of a kind I see both. I just played four games and saw zero mana surges on 4 of a kind. But I will do some more testing, watching my mana globes specifically. ---
**Author:** ![JasonAshcroft](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jasonashcroft/32/1974_2.png) [@JasonAshcroft](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/JasonAshcroft)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/25 "2016-03-30T15:12:49Z")
I believe it has already been confirmed that a match-4 will NEVER give mana surge. I’ve been playing for almost as long as the game exists and I’m pretty sure I never ever got a mana surge on a match-4. ---
**Author:** ![bluebehir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/bluebehir/32/1554_2.png) [@bluebehir](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/bluebehir)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/26 "2016-03-30T15:15:55Z")
I just did some more tests. Things of note: 1. I took four of a kind as often as possible, even when I could have took five of a kind. You’re welcome. 2. I took note not just of my match ups, but also the enemy. 3. To that guy who just attacked me with 3 venoxia and a green slime. thanks. It was a long slow drawn out battle that I almost lost, but it gave me heaps of data points. 4. A mana surge of a four of a kind can never give you 7 mana. It gives 4 naturally. Surge would make it 8, bonus would make it 9. 5. Zero counts of mana surge on 4 of a kind in my anecdotal small sample size of about 100 matches tonight. (4 of a kind matches, not PVP battles. I’m not THAT good!) At this point, my opinion has only been solidified. I need visual evidence of it before I’ll believe it can occur. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/27 "2016-03-30T15:37:51Z")
Some of the devs stated a while ago that 4 of a kind never gives mana surges. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/28 "2016-03-30T15:56:17Z")
Odd. What the heck have I been seeing then… ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/29 "2016-03-30T15:59:42Z")
Probably an after drop of 3 mana match that didn’t surge and you didn’t pay attention at. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/30 "2016-03-30T16:13:26Z")
I’m pretty sure this was recently changed… Always used to be that a 4 match had a very low chance of mana surge - say around 10% of your normal chance from 3 matches… this was because it was felt that getting the extra turn was already enough of an advantage… Now I think in 109 (but can’t see it in the patch notes) or anyways, recently, it got changed so that 4 matches have the same mana surge chance as 3 matches… not sure why… I think I’ve seen surges on 4 matches a lot more, recently, but I am not testing that rigorously… Devs? ---
**Author:** ![GemsCollector](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@GemsCollector](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsCollector)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/31 "2016-03-30T16:13:59Z")
> [@Esoxnepa](#): > > Surges are based on a logarithmic [math nazi] Ekhm, just a technicality: it’s not logarithmic. It’s an inverted proportion. Sorry, couldn’t stop myself 😉 [/math nazi] > [@Eika](#): > > My opinion is that I think computer has adventage on some traits in the game. I think that is obvious by now. It’s not that. The more Mastery you have the less you’re affected by Jinx. So if you’re fighting a higher level opp with more Masteries it actually _is_ better for AI. If it’s the other way around (you have more Masteries than the opp) it’s better for you. Either way Jinx is worth anything only against relatively low levels. As for Agile - I’m afraid it’s recall bias… ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/32 "2016-03-30T16:15:47Z")
Im not low level, I have masteries to over 55. Thats my experience, you have yours, thats fine. ---
**Author:** ![GemsCollector](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@GemsCollector](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/GemsCollector)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/33 "2016-03-30T16:28:11Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > Im not low level, I wasn’t implying that. I just supposed you had fought higher level opps, that’s all. No offence intended 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/34 "2016-03-30T16:37:37Z")
I’ve had the same experience fighting higher and lower level players. ---
**Author:** ![kzintiwife](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kzintiwife/32/2350_2.png) [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/35 "2016-03-30T16:41:53Z")
I’m going to flip the argument - i dont have any guys with jinx. what i see is that I make less surges when they have jinx. ---
**Author:** ![Tacet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tacet/32/35_2.png) [@Tacet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tacet)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/36 "2016-03-30T18:22:12Z")
I feel like Jinx should do 2/3 reduction instead of 1/2 due to it hitting the number rather than the percentage. There also needs to be a legend that stops all surges even if it is done on a 5x+, or add the no surge restriction to decay. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/37 "2016-03-30T19:33:27Z")
What’s up with pc/mobile devs, I haven’t seen Sirrian or Nimhain for a while now? ---
**Author:** ![kzintiwife](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kzintiwife/32/2350_2.png) [@kzintiwife](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/kzintiwife)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/38 "2016-03-30T19:38:12Z")
i think they were in the USA for some conferences? i know California and Florida from a couple of posts. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/39 "2016-03-30T19:42:27Z")
Yep I just checked their history, Sirrian mentioned an Airport in Florida. From 14th March to this date Sirrian made the same number of posts he made during 12th and 13th March alone, and no posts from Nimhain past 20th March. I miss their responses 😒 ---
**Author:** ![Studs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/studs/32/3498_2.png) [@Studs](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Studs)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/jinx-does-it-work-at-all/5042/40 "2016-03-30T20:53:45Z")
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