# Is kraken really that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [November 2, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600 "2017-11-02T14:36:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/21 "2017-11-02T18:19:19Z")
IMO the fundamental problem is that insta-kill and loop/spawn are two abilities that should never go together, or this will be a complaint that never dies, though the specific card under scrutiny at any given time will change. Remember the Bone Dragon? Extra nebulous abilities apply in these conditions like complete board reset, Proc Traits, etc. Kraken violates this “unwritten rule” that all other cards follow. No looping on True Damage. No looping on Mass-Affix applications like Borealis, Plague, and more. No looping on Devour. Oops. ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/22 "2017-11-02T19:06:04Z")
Kraken also has one of the best Mythic level Traits in the game (and as a non-Mythic troop)! Compare it to the best PvP Mythic in the game: Famine. So ‘Aspect of Famine’ only does -3 Skill points to a single Enemy every turn. While Kraken’s ‘Tentacles’ -3 ALL (-12 potential) enemies with 4-5 matches so it isn’t guaranteed every turn but with spawning from ‘Depths Below’ it can proc multiple times per turn. Toss in another gem spawner (like Troll) plus a second Kraken and your all set to melt points off. There might need to be other changes, but one easy change would be to change ‘Tentacles’ to -1 or -2 per 4-5 match. ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/23 "2017-11-02T19:21:58Z")
Good points. Also, one of the aspects people don’t tend to think about are all the free bonuses. Entire team has Barrier? Not no more on a single 4-Match. Board sucks for AI? Not anymore because now the whole thing’s been reset and flooded with AI Mana. On and on I could go lol Remember the Bone Dragon rant? Much of it is perfectly applicable here… [- YouTube](https://youtu.be/zPR0Os_Uq_s?t=365) ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/24 "2017-11-02T19:23:24Z")
Here is the thing… If they removed kraken from the game there would just be another target fir everyones rage… ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/25 "2017-11-02T19:24:49Z")
Yep. And if you wash this window many others will still be dirty so why bother wanting this one clean. # /s ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/26 "2017-11-02T19:27:58Z")
There os a difference between washing a window and breaking it… ---
**Author:** ![Supremesis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/supremesis/32/24521_2.png) [@Supremesis](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Supremesis)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/27 "2017-11-02T19:31:53Z")
43%… it is that bad. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/28 "2017-11-02T19:33:01Z")
Your win rate is 43%? ---
**Author:** ![Supremesis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/supremesis/32/24521_2.png) [@Supremesis](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Supremesis)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/30 "2017-11-02T19:33:55Z")
Yup 10 characters ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/31 "2017-11-02T19:34:23Z")
Can you post a screenshot? ---
**Author:** ![Supremesis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/supremesis/32/24521_2.png) [@Supremesis](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Supremesis)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/32 "2017-11-02T19:36:11Z")
63%\* my bad but ul’ing ss ---
**Author:** ![Supremesis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/supremesis/32/24521_2.png) [@Supremesis](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Supremesis)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/33 "2017-11-02T19:37:57Z")
> **[Steam Community :: Screenshot](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1189165553)** > > Steam Community: Gems of War. Only thing I can say really is i’m generally unlucky, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/34 "2017-11-02T19:39:16Z")
Thats 75% for the week brudda ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/35 "2017-11-02T19:39:32Z")
If you are asking for new team builds you have come to the right place. Vangor is an excellent player who do love to help you. ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/36 "2017-11-02T19:40:27Z")
Lol i would be glad to help @Supremesis just PM me if you are interested ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/37 "2017-11-02T19:49:30Z")
It’s not a simple/straight logic like: **Fun = I win** and therefore **Boring = I lost**. I don’t think there is a conciliatory point for this. As long as at least one of the parts don’t try to understand the reasons of the other… ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/38 "2017-11-02T19:51:33Z")
> [@Ivar](#): > > As long as at least one of the parts don’t try to understand the reasons of the other Thia was my purpose for this thread ---
**Author:** ![AngryMidget](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/angrymidget/32/10478_2.png) [@AngryMidget](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/AngryMidget)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/39 "2017-11-02T20:03:20Z")
Win rate this week is 68% It’s not the losing that bothers me. It happens. It’s the fact most of the time it’s completely out of my hands. It certainly isn’t boring to fight, because it is normally over within a matter of seconds. Boring to fight was the old mana drain meta. Never bring that back. I wouldn’t say Kraken is overpowered, not alone anyway. It’s the team it’s used in. ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/40 "2017-11-02T20:16:43Z")
> [@AngryMidget](#): > > I wouldn’t say Kraken is overpowered, not alone anyway IMO K is OP because: - Removes Barrier from entire team on each 4-Match (the only non-Trait defense against Devour) - Saps opposing team of about 2.5% EHP on each 4-Match - Procs Ally on-Match Traits - Loops - Devours - Effective “Devour the World” or full-board reset - Depreciates all Troops that Boost from Ally Armor - Bypasses Submerge protection - Fill some or all of entire team Mana caused by cascades - Free sky skulls galore - AND MORE Name another Troop that does all of that for 16 Mana. This is Bone Dragon all over again. edit: @Stan helpfully adds: - Cannot have his Traits countered due to Stun Immunity; and - Gains Health on the same condition which saps opponent ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600/41 "2017-11-02T20:24:28Z")
> [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > Loops Not by himself > [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > Devours 40% > [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > Effective “Devour the World” or full-board reset Ummmm… No he doesnt… > [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > Bypasses Submerge protection Submerge is useless to begin with > [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > Fill some or all of entire team Mana caused by cascades Ummm… No he doesnt… > [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > Free sky skulls galore Ummm… No he doesnt Sounds like you are embellishing to prove a point that doesnt need embellished [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-kraken-really-that-bad/32600.md?page=3)