# Is it time to remove mana drain/burn immunity traits? **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [March 6, 2021, 10:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892 "2021-03-06T10:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 10:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892/1 "2021-03-06T10:44:08Z")
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**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 10:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892/2 "2021-03-06T10:44:42Z")
Easiest vote I have done. Big fat yes. Make Famine and Queen Mab great again! ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 11:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892/3 "2021-03-06T11:06:06Z")
Mana Drain, no Mana Burn, yes. At this point, Mana Burn may as well be another way of minimal Boost Ratio. _shrug_ ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 11:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892/4 "2021-03-06T11:14:42Z")
Thanks for your input. Two more voting options available now. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 11:23am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892/5 "2021-03-06T11:23:45Z")
> [@TheIdleOne](#): > > Mana Drain, no Why you don’t want mana drain back? You are one of the hardcore players in GoW that plays 60 hours every weekend. I doubt you like limitations. For me it was quite fun to take down CPU before it got the chance to throwing off Famine. You then won instantly as most defense teams was based of getting off Famine. Also today it is a lot better attacking options than the past. But most importantly, it was GREAT fun to use Famine and invade with her before. Perhaps you are giving Guild Wars too much power here(?), as why you wouldnt like to have Famine back in your builds. Guild Wars is every 4th week or so now, so it all should be fine. For PvP all of us hardcore players had winning rates over 90 % when Famine before these annoying immunity traits arrived, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892/6 "2021-03-06T12:09:42Z")
> [@Eika](#): > > Why you don’t want mana drain back? Its a lot less complicated than what you posted. Just like how freezing “should” give you a fighting chance against looping, something “should” exist so you don’t get mana drained every few turns. That’s it, really. I would say Famine is too slow for Guild Wars, but Brown isn’t exactly the hardest color to fill either. Famine’s damage might be too low though. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892/7 "2021-03-06T12:17:02Z")
> [@TheIdleOne](#): > > Just like how freezing “should” give you a fighting chance against looping, something “should” exist so you don’t get mana drained every few turns. That’s it, really. So what is the biggie here? It doesnt look for me that your reason above cover that you would had even minor problems if mana drain traits was removed? ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892/8 "2021-03-07T17:56:21Z")
BUMP. (5billion letters) ---
**Author:** ![Magnusimus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/magnusimus/32/50652_2.png) [@Magnusimus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Magnusimus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892/9 "2021-03-07T20:27:53Z")
The “biggie” he’s talking about is game balance, as I read it 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-it-time-to-remove-mana-drain-burn-immunity-traits/68892/10 "2021-03-07T20:28:01Z")
Mana Burn yes, Mana Drain no. Mana Burn is barely a mechanic. When it was introduced it might have well just been called “Mab damage immunity”. _Years_ later now, the only troop introduced to use the mechanic was Skadi, who then summons Mab. Mab has enough counters now where we don’t need entire groups of troops being wholesale immune to her spell damage. Any meta that thrives on Freeze sucks to be sure, but Snap Freeze is the thing to worry about nowadays (along with Frostmage trait) where you don’t really have to lose anything to include it. Mab would still barely be relevant even without mana burn immunity existing. I’m going to say what I say every time, if Mana Burn immunity for some reason _needs_ to be a thing, it should block only the portion of the damage related to the targets mana, _not_ the whole of the spell damage.