# Is Cedric Sparklesack not a guaranteed drop if you win the vault?

**URL:** <https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-cedric-sparklesack-not-a-guaranteed-drop-if-you-win-the-vault/45510>\
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**Created:** [September 8, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-cedric-sparklesack-not-a-guaranteed-drop-if-you-win-the-vault/45510 "2018-09-08T15:02:24Z")\
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**Author:** ![Ghurgil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df705f/32.png) [@Ghurgil](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ghurgil)\
**Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-cedric-sparklesack-not-a-guaranteed-drop-if-you-win-the-vault/45510/1 "2018-09-08T15:02:24Z")

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I got my very first vault key in 2 years of playing, won the vault, and got crap from it. No Cedric, and less resources than if I would have just played PVP for about 10 min.

What gives? Is cedric not a guaranteed drop?

If not, what’s the point of literally getting 1 key per 1000 hours of gameplay? The vault seems completely useless given what it takes to get into it if it’s no better than killing a few PVP rounds with a few random gnomes thrown in.

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**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\
**Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-cedric-sparklesack-not-a-guaranteed-drop-if-you-win-the-vault/45510/2 "2018-09-08T15:51:12Z")

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Cedric is not guaranteed. You can play the Vault for a chance of getting the troops, and if you play in a guild able to defeat the Raid Boss/Towers many times you all can earn a Vault Key during these weeks.

It’s about luck, sometimes you have it, sometimes you don’t.

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**Author:** ![Slypenslyde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/slypenslyde/32/30373_2.png) [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)\
**Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/is-cedric-sparklesack-not-a-guaranteed-drop-if-you-win-the-vault/45510/3 "2018-09-08T16:02:11Z")

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The Vault pool is completely random, like gnome rewards. The Vault troops are very rare within that pool.

I don’t like it either. You have to encounter a rare Treasure Gnome, beat it, then you have an RNG chance to get a Vault Key, then you have an RNG chance to get a troop.

Too many things in this game are gated behind winning multiple RNG rolls. ☹