# \[INVESTIGATING\] The Gray King no Drai Mana **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [March 17, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670 "2022-03-17T18:03:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rizzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6de8d8/32.png) [@Rizzo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rizzo)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/1 "2022-03-17T18:03:50Z")
Android 6.2 Play PVP against Obrweaver and summon Giant Spider. The Gray king no Drai mana. but silence [TGK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2S7jNy2aK8) ![TGK](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/c/e/ce7faa69195050db175d8d7032af89828251f560.jpeg) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/d/edce8e72f67e646577573b2845c1b70bf51dcc04.jpeg "The Gray King no drai mana") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2S7jNy2aK8) ---
**Author:** ![igniteice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/igniteice/32/67904_2.png) [@igniteice](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/igniteice)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/2 "2022-03-17T19:35:15Z")
That’s really weird – you destroyed blue gems, it uses blue mana, so it took the 73 true damage, it was silenced, and it was frozen, but it certainly looked like its mana was not drained. It wasn’t Blessed, which would have prevented the mana drain, but that would also have prevented the Silence. The second time as well, you destroyed green gems, and it was affected by the silence, freeze, and it took damage, but no mana drain… ---
**Author:** ![havok6669](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/havok6669/32/72792_2.png) [@havok6669](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/havok6669)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/3 "2022-03-17T21:23:35Z")
What troop was there before the giant spider was summoned into place? I am assuming this is related to the bug where a troop with impervious in first slot dies and webspinner is summoned in its place and it gains impervious trait. > [@\[REPORTED\] Webspinner Superpowered](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/reported-webspinner-superpowered/74399?preview_theme_id=22): > > Platform, device version and operating system: Steam + Mobile Screenshot or image: What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened: The summoned troop that replace the leonis tower, in this case webspinner, is immune to zuul How often does this happen? When did it begin happening? always ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jeto/32/101682_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 2:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/4 "2022-03-18T02:56:13Z")
Hey @Rizzo , As @havok6669 mentioned, was Webspinner summoned into this battle? And do you recall the previous troop if it was? If it was not summoned in, could you send through a ticket to us in Support so we can look into the data of this battle further for your opponent? Jeto - Support Human 🧙🏻‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 10:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/5 "2022-03-18T10:09:20Z")
> [@Jeto](#): > > As havok6669 mentioned, was Webspinner summoned into this battle? This isn’t about Webspinner getting summoned, this is about any troop getting summoned by a talent/trait into a spot a troop previously died in. In the video above my assumption would be that the first slot originally contained King Avelorn (immune to Mana Drain due to Wood Ancestry), to which the Gaint Spider got summoned by the Familiar trait of the Orbweaver class, inheriting the traits of King Avelorn. Edit: Wood Ancestry also contains immunity to silence, which doesn’t quite fit the Giant Spider getting silenced. As someone working on the ticket I’d look up the logs to see who the opponent was, then check their defense to see what the front troop was. ---
**Author:** ![Koromac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/koromac/32/59857_2.png) [@Koromac](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Koromac)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 12:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/6 "2022-03-18T12:44:20Z")
There are more bugs. Bugs with no mana gain in general, extra turn(s) getting ignored when the unit was not frozen, etc. I think that this is a good opportunity to mention the ability to ID and log battle data so that such events can get tracked on the spot, but only if a user selects such an option. It may be worth it to write it in the suggestion section, though. ---
**Author:** ![Tibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@Tibo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tibo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/7 "2022-03-18T18:18:47Z")
It is one thing it didn’t get mana drained but why it had full mana right after summon?! Second Giant Spider also had full mana ---
**Author:** ![Rizzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6de8d8/32.png) [@Rizzo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rizzo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/8 "2022-03-18T19:19:11Z")
The first troop was King Avelorn. King Avelorn, L&D, Weaver and Lamashtu. Orbweaver class ---
**Author:** ![igniteice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/igniteice/32/67904_2.png) [@igniteice](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/igniteice)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/9 "2022-03-18T19:28:19Z")
If the “summoned troop” bug was absorbing traits from a previous troop that was there, then perhaps that troop had immunity to mana drain, and was empowered, but was not immune to freeze or silence. I can’t find any troops though that match that description. Most all troops that are immune to mana drain are also immune to silence (Dark, Wood, Sky, and High Ancestry). Mana Shield provides immunity to Mana Drain, but not Silence. However, there are no Empowered troops with Mana Shield. ---
**Author:** ![Rizzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6de8d8/32.png) [@Rizzo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rizzo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 7:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/10 "2022-03-18T19:44:58Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/2/5/259359cb3f396eed932e6e4bee2dd749fbc277c4.jpeg "The Gray King no Drai mana") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKij7MlrlKs) I found an opponent with Orbweaver Class. I recorded the entire battle. For better viewing ---
**Author:** ![Rizzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6de8d8/32.png) [@Rizzo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rizzo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 7:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/11 "2022-03-18T19:52:28Z")
I believe Giant Spider inherits the class’s Mana Shield. Immune drai mana. just like hero ---
**Author:** ![igniteice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/igniteice/32/67904_2.png) [@igniteice](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/igniteice)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/12 "2022-03-18T19:56:43Z")
But the hero doesn’t start with full mana ---
**Author:** ![Rizzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6de8d8/32.png) [@Rizzo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rizzo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/13 "2022-03-18T23:50:35Z")
I took a test. I used 2 troops. 1 with Drain mana immunity and one with Silence immunity. Summon 2 Spiders. The Gray King silenced 2. But drain mana only from 1. Spider inherits Dark Ancentry from the previous troop. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/3/c/3c6be83371d3ee1e37956397dbf6f914cd814e62.jpeg "TGK vs Giant Spider") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLOTQz5C3U) ---
**Author:** ![havok6669](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/havok6669/32/72792_2.png) [@havok6669](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/havok6669)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/14 "2022-03-19T12:38:00Z")
I just had a brainstorm that it may be related to the fix for gnomes/valravens etc not losing their rewards when transformed. Perhaps the way that issue was fixed is also causing this issue of the absorbed traits. ---
**Author:** ![Tibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@Tibo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tibo)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 10:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/15 "2022-03-19T22:16:08Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/5/9/5948bc95b6640ab3fb725eaa23778ad1e81ac75b.jpeg) Empowered and immune to mana drain. ---
**Author:** ![noob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/noob/32/54823_2.png) [@noob](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/noob)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 3:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/16 "2022-03-22T03:47:18Z")
Nah I don’t think they are related. Valraven transformed by lycan didn’t give rewards because it counted as self transform (same level, fully traited, no deaths). They simply changed it to trasnformed by enemy (half level, no traits, counts as death) ---
**Author:** ![havok6669](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/havok6669/32/72792_2.png) [@havok6669](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/havok6669)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 3:54am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/17 "2022-03-22T03:54:28Z")
I dunno just figured it might be the culprit since transform was making it so they lost rewards perhaps they coded it in a way that left some remnants of the original troop in that slot. Would have to look at how they coded it to be sure because they did that change to fix lycan gems transforming at full level yes but they did a different fix for gnomes and valravens as well after lycan gems were fixed in that way to make them come back at half level. ---
**Author:** ![noob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/noob/32/54823_2.png) [@noob](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/noob)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 4:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/18 "2022-03-22T04:08:12Z")
They lost rewards because they weren’t killed. There was no separate fix for valravens and gnomes. Changing from self transform to normal transform was the only fix > [@Lycanthropy, the why and the moving forward](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/lycanthropy-the-why-and-the-moving-forward/70246/36): > > This means that in the future Lycanthropy will behave like transform and when the troop lycanthropes (yes that’s what we are going with) they will be at the same level as a troop that was transformed, which is half of the original troop. Also, the issue where lycanthroped Valravens and Gnomes don’t give sigils or loot will be rectified at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![igniteice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/igniteice/32/67904_2.png) [@igniteice](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/igniteice)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/19 "2022-03-22T14:02:56Z")
> [@Tibo](#): > > Empowered and immune to mana drain. > [@Rizzo](#): > > Spider inherits Dark Ancentry from the previous troop. Dark Ancestry provides immunity to silence, and the spiders are silenced. ---
**Author:** ![noob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/noob/32/54823_2.png) [@noob](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/noob)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670/20 "2022-03-22T18:02:30Z")
The empower part is irrelevant here. Empower only activates at the start of battle. Empowered troop summoned mid battle starts with 0 mana. The video in the OP shows 2 different matches. The giant spirders got their mana by matching gems normally which wasn’t shown in the vid. [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-the-gray-king-no-drai-mana/74670.md?page=2)