# \[Investigating\] Reduced GAP gnome rewards in slow fight **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [August 14, 2021, 4:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475 "2021-08-14T04:47:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snooj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/snooj/32/65852_2.png) [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 4:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/1 "2021-08-14T04:47:21Z")
**Platform, device version and operating system:** All **Screenshot or image:** Reference found in the following two threads: > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Changes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-changes/71394): > > Hello Adventurers, We were very pleased to see you all enjoying a plethora of Gnome-a-Paloozas during the last Vault event. Over 50 million Gnomes valiantly gave their lives during that event so we could all collectively bathe in Gems and Gold. Starting today we are making a small adjustment to the way rewards are calculated in battles during Gnome-a-Palooza. First we’ll explain why, and then we’ll explain the change. A little over 1% of players are amazingly efficient at dispatching Gnomes a… > [@Gnome-a-Palooza reward formula](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-reward-formula/71425): > > Since the official announcement is rather vague about this, current community research seems to suggest this handling: 1.) “Speed” Take the time between the server sending your battle setup and the server receiving the battle result. If this is less than 50 seconds, your gnome rewards get scaled down to [seconds taken] / 50. Example: If your battle (including loading times) takes 10 seconds, you’ll receive 10 / 50 = 20% of the full gnome reward. 2.) “Easy” Take your team score and the o… **What you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened:** I expected reduced rewards from gnomes in GAP during a fast fight. However, the rewards are also reduced in a slow fight. > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Changes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-changes/71394/19): > > those who play against opponents more suitable for their own account level and teams, who maybe only play or 2 battles a minute won’t notice a change. According to @Kafka, playing 2 battles a minute won’t result in any change to drops. In other words, as long as the fight is longer than 30 seconds, rewards are not reduced. However, the community has found that rewards are reduced up to 50 seconds in a fight. **How often does this happen? When did it begin happening?** Every time a GAP is run. **Steps to make it happen again** -Start GAP -Spend 30-50 seconds in battle. -Witness reduced rewards **EDIT** Some examples: Here’s comments from @igniteice doing explore 12 with 30-40 second fights and still having nerfed rewards. > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Change](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-change/71491/14): > > I can do level 12 explore in 30-40 seconds though, and the rewards are nerfed the same. So no, it doesn’t matter. Being able to one cast shot a level 1 explore is very different than being able to blow through level 12s in 30 seconds with a good team. > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Changes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-changes/71394/308): > > Even doing level 12 explores during Gnome-a-Palooza, using my Slayer(Fireblade)+Zuulgoth team, I still get reduced rewards, because the battles are less than a minute long. So there is really no point at all in doing anything but trying to spam as many fights as possible to get just plain vault keys and ignore the reduced rewards. This change gutted legit players. I can understand if you don’t want players blowing through gnomes for maximum rewards, but when I’m doing Level 12 Explores during G… > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Changes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-changes/71394/309): > > More Level 12 Gnome-a-Palooza nerfed rewards – you know, as punishment for doing level 12 too fast. I’ve noticed an interesting bug – sometimes, you can’t scroll to the left to see the rest of the rewards. It gets stuck. I can only hit continue. That last one looks like normal rewards, they just suck. Lol… That there is a 50% nerf to rewards. On level 12 difficulty. Yeah okay. TOO MANY SOUL GNOMES!! Here’s another player, @Wow , who shared data from their guild doing explore 12. I don’t know how long these fights took, but as this is the maximum difficulty they shouldn’t be nerfed. > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Change](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-change/71491/18): > > Got these screenshots from our Alliance. E1 E5 E12 ---
**Author:** ![Potemkinz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/potemkinz/32/74067_2.png) [@Potemkinz](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Potemkinz)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 4:57am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/2 "2021-08-14T04:57:47Z")
i wonder how the mechanic for reduced reward is, i’m following this thread, just in case it gets answered ---
**Author:** ![Snooj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/snooj/32/65852_2.png) [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 5:02am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/3 "2021-08-14T05:02:20Z")
> [@Potemkinz](#): > > i wonder how the mechanic for reduced reward is, i’m following this thread, just in case it gets answered Check out the reward formula thread. People are cracking it. 🙂 [Gnome-a-Palooza reward formula](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-reward-formula/71425) ---
**Author:** ![Potemkinz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/potemkinz/32/74067_2.png) [@Potemkinz](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Potemkinz)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 5:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/4 "2021-08-14T05:12:15Z")
yes but those are unconfirmed by devs, lol ---
**Author:** ![Snooj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/snooj/32/65852_2.png) [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 5:14am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/5 "2021-08-14T05:14:50Z")
> [@Potemkinz](#): > > yes but those are unconfirmed by devs, lol Gotcha. Yeah the devs haven’t said exactly when rewards start to be reduced. But, they did say 2 battles a minute is safe, so I am basing this bug report soley on that. Wonder if it will be fixed to match their statement, or if they will update their statement. Fingers crossed on some clarity. ---
**Author:** ![Anthrax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Anthrax](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Anthrax)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 10:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/6 "2021-08-14T10:58:44Z")
The mere fact that we have to “confirm” shit cause you can’t trust the devs just speaks to how bad this is. For me, I just play as I used to. All in all GaP is stil lbetter than no GaP so fuck it, might as well just not think about it. However I have pledged a loooong time back not to give them a cent cause fuck these types of predatory tactics and games. Enjoy the F2P but don’t contribute to, as they called it, “the economy”. Same rules for all gatcha/casino/lootbox games. Those are set up to bleed users, nothing else. I really wish they’d be more transparent but who am I kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/7 "2021-08-14T18:08:05Z")
> [@Snooj](#): > > But, they did say 2 battles a minute is safe, so I am basing this bug report soley on that. > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Changes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-changes/71394/19): > > while those who play against opponents more suitable for their own account level and teams, who maybe only play or 2 battles a minute won’t notice a change There’s a 1 missing in “1 or 2 battles a minute”. Wording it differently, if you are used to playing long, tough battles, you probably understand little enough about the game to notice a difference in rewards. ---
**Author:** ![Snooj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/snooj/32/65852_2.png) [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/8 "2021-08-14T23:59:28Z")
> [@Fourdottwoone](#): > > There’s a 1 missing in “1 or 2 battles a minute”. That makes the “or” make so much more sense now! Yep, that’s likely it. She meant to say 1 or 2, not 2. By the way, thanks on your other thread for figuring out details on the throttling! ❤ ---
**Author:** ![OminousGMan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ominousgman/32/70503_2.png) [@OminousGMan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/OminousGMan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 11:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/9 "2021-08-17T23:11:46Z")
Hey hey! Thank you for posting this. So we can investigate this further I’m just wanting to ask some questiions; - What game modes did you notice this in? - If it was Explore, which difficulty were you playing at? OminousGMan - Support Human 🕵️‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Snooj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/snooj/32/65852_2.png) [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/10 "2021-08-18T04:08:51Z")
> [@OminousGMan](#): > > - What game modes did you notice this in? > - If it was Explore, which difficulty were you playing at? Reduced rewards have been found in explore of every difficulty, from easy 1 to the max of 12. I provided links to the other threads with numerous examples. I will go through them this week to link to specific comments and update my bug report and let you know. Other GoW gamers, can you comment on this post with your examples where rewards were reduced in fights taking between 30-50 seconds? ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 11:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/11 "2021-08-18T11:37:02Z")
> [@OminousGMan](#): > > Thank you for posting this. So we can investigate this further I’m just wanting to ask some questiions; > > - What game modes did you notice this in? > - If it was Explore, which difficulty were you playing at? Is there really anything at all to investigate? The GaP nerf has been analyzed to death the past week, with IP2 falling over themselves to remain absent, even for the most basic questions. Sorry if this sounds somewhat grumpy, we aren’t going to hear anything back except possibly “Not a Bug”, no matter how much effort we spend providing data you already consider working as intended, right? For some Explore 12 gnome rewards (credit to @Dust_Angel): Timing to 50-55 seconds, 100% payout: Souls - 2500; 1000; 1000; 5000; 5000; 2500 Glory - 1000; 200; 200; 200; 200; 500 Timing to about 45 seconds, roughly 90% payout: Souls - 2400 Glory - 920; 920 Timing to about 35 seconds, roughly 70% payout: Souls - 720 ---
**Author:** ![Snooj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/snooj/32/65852_2.png) [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/12 "2021-08-19T20:27:51Z")
@OminousGMan, I’ll link to a couple examples below. Overall, this is happening on all explore levels and happens every time, so should be easy for the devs to test and confirm. I will add these examples to my original bug report as well. Here’s comments from @igniteice doing explore 12 with 30-40 second fights and still having nerfed rewards. > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Change](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-change/71491/14): > > I can do level 12 explore in 30-40 seconds though, and the rewards are nerfed the same. So no, it doesn’t matter. Being able to one cast shot a level 1 explore is very different than being able to blow through level 12s in 30 seconds with a good team. > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Changes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-changes/71394/308): > > Even doing level 12 explores during Gnome-a-Palooza, using my Slayer(Fireblade)+Zuulgoth team, I still get reduced rewards, because the battles are less than a minute long. So there is really no point at all in doing anything but trying to spam as many fights as possible to get just plain vault keys and ignore the reduced rewards. This change gutted legit players. I can understand if you don’t want players blowing through gnomes for maximum rewards, but when I’m doing Level 12 Explores during G… > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Changes](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-changes/71394/309): > > More Level 12 Gnome-a-Palooza nerfed rewards – you know, as punishment for doing level 12 too fast. I’ve noticed an interesting bug – sometimes, you can’t scroll to the left to see the rest of the rewards. It gets stuck. I can only hit continue. That last one looks like normal rewards, they just suck. Lol… That there is a 50% nerf to rewards. On level 12 difficulty. Yeah okay. TOO MANY SOUL GNOMES!! Here’s another player, @Wow , who shared data from their guild doing explore 12. I don’t know how long these fights took, but as this is the maximum difficulty they shouldn’t be nerfed. > [@Gnome-a-Palooza Change](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/gnome-a-palooza-change/71491/18): > > Got these screenshots from our Alliance. E1 E5 E12 ---
**Author:** ![OminousGMan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ominousgman/32/70503_2.png) [@OminousGMan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/OminousGMan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 3:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/13 "2021-08-20T03:55:44Z")
Hey everyone! Just wanted to say thank you for providing all this information and @Snooj I really appreciate you linking those examples found in other threads, the more info the better 🙂 I’ll take this all to the Dev Team and we’ll start investigating it. Thanks again! OminousGMan - Support Human 🕵️‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/14 "2021-09-03T15:50:47Z")
> [@OminousGMan](#): > > I’ll take this all to the Dev Team and we’ll start investigating it. Any news on this one? It’s already been two weeks, with the next GAP starting to show up on the horizon. Is the Dev Team in need of further examples to finish their investigation? ---
**Author:** ![Fourdottwoone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fourdottwoone/32/66655_2.png) [@Fourdottwoone](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fourdottwoone)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/15 "2021-09-15T12:38:09Z")
@OminousGMan The investigation has been going on for almost a month now. Could we please get an update? ---
**Author:** ![Snooj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/snooj/32/65852_2.png) [@Snooj](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Snooj)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 1:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/16 "2021-09-24T13:46:41Z")
It is vault weekend now. When will this bug be fixed? ---
**Author:** ![sylverscale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@sylverscale](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sylverscale)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/17 "2021-09-24T20:23:00Z")
February 30th I suppose ---
**Author:** ![Tabu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/tabu/32/63708_2.png) [@Tabu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Tabu)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 8:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-reduced-gap-gnome-rewards-in-slow-fight/71475/18 "2021-09-24T20:54:17Z")
It wont be. That is until people stop giving them their money. Every time a person gives them money they are saying it is ok just to participate. Being good or doing your job properly doesn’t matter. Oddly enough, you can give a junkie a drug that is 80% cut and they will still buy it once they become addicted. Interesting how both are so similar.