# \[Investigating\] Crazy Invasion reward thresholds **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [July 31, 2023, 7:31am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733 "2023-07-31T07:31:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![NerdieBirdie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nerdiebirdie/32/103793_2.png) [@NerdieBirdie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NerdieBirdie)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/85 "2023-08-04T01:50:22Z")
Am I understanding correctly that T1-T2 will typically get a guild through Reward 12? If so, I’m not terribly upset about the higher requirement to fully complete the event. Same rewards with bonus rewards for guilds that go further. ---
**Author:** ![Borjay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/borjay/32/49749_2.png) [@Borjay](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Borjay)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/86 "2023-08-04T02:37:13Z")
Not for an Invasion Event. For Invasion, it has always been T4. Some players could buy T3 due to others getting T4 and the excess Towers would cover for the difference: Invasion pre 7.0, 150 Towers per player. Tier 3: 140 - 148 Towers. Tier 4: 184 - 192 Towers. The events where sometimes Stage 12 rewards can be collected with T0 - T1 are World Events. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/87 "2023-08-04T02:39:56Z")
New reward threshold: 10k towers for reward 12 (was 14500). 333.33 per member. Expected battles per member 62. _Required_ minimum buy in with full participation and full member perfect with event captain = t0/t1 for reward 12 (you are right on the precipice of needing an extra valraven or 2 sigils to finish your battle requirement at t0 under the last calculated starting sigil multiplier of 2.22 arrived at after lots of data gathering). **Edit: Since you need at last t2 to _have_ the captain, that makes the minimum buy in T2 for reward 12 _regardless of sigil use_.** Previous **weeklong** (we should not be comparing to weekend events which had different buy-in costs and were balanced differently) Invasion events required an average of ~64 battles (175 tower per member, no captain), which is also within the max sigils you can get from t0 (but less likely) and well within t1. Total points required for stage 16 rewards, 17500 (was 20,000). 583.33 per member. Expected battles per member 93. _Required_ minimum buy in with full participation and full member perfect runs with captain = t4/t5 (you are right on the precipice of the +/- for valravens, even with a perfect run, at t4 so only a small percentage would need t5s assuming completely perfect runs). Math checks out reward 12 being in line with what it was for previous versions of the same event in terms of required buy in, if everyone is using the event captain all the time (actually about 4.76% easier), except you _have_ to have at least t2 to have the captain for any event that has a captain. Thresholds are _significantly_ higher if the event captain is not used by even a handful of the members, but this event is not one where you would generally _not_ want to use the Captain. (edit: this means that the minimum buy in for Tower of Doom will likely be t4 to get reward 12, regardless of sigil use, even if you could perfectly scout to get reward 12) Keep in mind, the amount having an obligate slot and restricted weapon/obligate weapon slows you down is not yet readily apparent this week, but will be when we get into Raid and Tower of Doom. This week was a total softball having no additional weapon restrictions, the strongest overall troop type in the game that has actual self synergies within its own troop type and not just “fake” on paper synergies like giving +3 damage here and there, and arguably one of the strongest _prior_ siegebreakers combined with a new siegebreaker that is arguably even stronger (albeit in different situations). On what has been for a while one of the most consistently “painless” events overall for a while now, given the usual breadth of options compared to what you need (which is usually just a siegebreaker to one-shot the towers and a hero and 2 troops to make that process as quick as possible). Lets see how everyone feels after slogging through the new and “improved” Tower of Doom and Raid events. ---
**Author:** ![mitamata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mitamata/32/10313_2.png) [@mitamata](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/mitamata)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/88 "2023-08-04T03:10:59Z")
> [@Mithran](#): > > _Required_ minimum buy in with full participation and full member perfect with event captain = t0/t1 for reward 12 Except you don’t have the event captain without a t2 purchase. ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/89 "2023-08-04T03:13:41Z")
> [@mitamata](#): > > Except you don’t have the event captain without a t2 purchase. Actually, true. Minimum _required_ is t2 because of this. Most people were buying in to t3 on this event regardless because it was weapon tier. Edit: Just thought about this even more. What is going to happen when you use a scroll of Heroism in the Tower of Doom event? What happens if you get a Luck scroll in a room you cleared with a Fireball scroll? Do luck scrolls even count for double scoring? Did they consider it in their algorithm if they _didn’t_? (since about a third of your overall score was coming from Luck scrolls if your guild scouted well) Tower of Doom’s Captain is a weapon typically needing a t4 buy-in to get (500 gems). Developed guilds usually everyone will get weapon tier (just as in previous weeklong raid and invasion anyone with a developed account would make sure they had enough gems for t3, weapon tier, regardless if they were actually going to play the event), but guilds with new players might not be able to get this immediately, thus already slashing their max contribution to the guild in half. That is on top of having fewer viable teams to even make it through the higher rounds for less developed accounts. I have the sinking feeling that it is going to be rather difficult to muster up any kind of enthusiasm to participate in what was once my favorite event. ---
**Author:** ![TheIdleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@TheIdleOne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TheIdleOne)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:32am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/91 "2023-08-04T03:32:11Z")
the post Ive been waiting for, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![sylverscale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@sylverscale](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sylverscale)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 5:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/92 "2023-08-04T05:22:06Z")
I’m fully committed to complain about issues with ToD scoring if necessary. Usually, I expect Murphy’s law to apply to gems. ---
**Author:** ![FrogStompa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/frogstompa/32/64108_2.png) [@FrogStompa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/FrogStompa)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 6:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/93 "2023-08-04T06:25:12Z")
Personally, I think they should include gnomes in this invasion. People are already spent/stretched, it would be a good “yeah, we’re sorry for making some people burn out” ---
**Author:** ![FrogStompa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/frogstompa/32/64108_2.png) [@FrogStompa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/FrogStompa)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 6:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/94 "2023-08-04T06:42:41Z")
Whoa! I just checked the Xbox leader is nearly 3x that of pc/mobile @Kafka please get ip2 to pull back the carrot, if that’s really just one person playing, they’re spending stupid amounts, and I don’t want to see another “gamer plays for 3 days straight and dies” story ---
**Author:** ![planchetflaw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/planchetflaw/32/88939_2.png) [@planchetflaw](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/planchetflaw)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 10:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/95 "2023-08-04T10:41:47Z")
Luckily it’s only 1 guild event every two weeks to account for this increased cost right? Right? Not going to have gems for levelling anything anymore to keep on good terms with guilds. Unless you log in 24 times per day, maybe. Instead of once or twice. ---
**Author:** ![Sinnycool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Sinnycool](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Sinnycool)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2023, 12:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/96 "2023-08-05T12:44:25Z")
Got all 16 done. I think i went like 1 more buy than usual but didnt mind since slughoarder so good. Everyone should anyway. Just feel like we over complaining on here sometimes. Lets not cry wolf. Not that this was but in general for other games forums are for strats n guides etc this only game ive ever seen its 90% complaining 10% guild recruiting ---
**Author:** ![sylverscale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@sylverscale](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sylverscale)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/97 "2023-08-05T14:21:51Z")
It got adjusted. There’s little recruiting here, I suppose, because people use reddit for that. It is where I found my first guild and where we find most of our new players. Guides and stuff are mostly on discord and, well, on YouTube. 😉 The forum is mainly used for contacting devs (and why it’s mostly complaining, well… Too many bugs and design failures) ---
**Author:** ![DAeron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/daeron/32/89036_2.png) [@DAeron](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DAeron)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/98 "2023-08-05T18:15:34Z")
People use the gems of war subreddit? What changed? ---
**Author:** ![sylverscale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@sylverscale](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/sylverscale)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733/99 "2023-08-05T19:09:49Z")
Only for recruiting as far as I know. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/investigating-crazy-invasion-reward-thresholds/80733.md?page=4)