# Improving PvP Variety **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [August 26, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527 "2016-08-26T16:55:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/21 "2016-08-26T23:34:32Z")
Legal issue in the way of if you pay real money to get something, you should always be able to use it. Doesn’t have to be in its current state, but still have to be able to use it. Similar to how they offer refunds when they nerf troops. If you pay money or materials for something and in return get penalized for using it, that could be a legal issue. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/22 "2016-08-26T23:35:24Z")
lol. Totally misunderstood what you meant, but I do think that the incentives on console and PC are a bit different right now, though most people are clearly trying their best to win on defence. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/23 "2016-08-26T23:37:45Z")
Does that mean they cant do away with the PvP leaderboard or even remove defence rewards? The troops can still be used for invades ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/24 "2016-08-26T23:40:23Z")
No absolutely not because that doesn’t effect the troops in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/25 "2016-08-26T23:42:56Z")
Its the same thing though. Why would it matter if you can use a troop on defence all the time or not if they can remove the rewards anyway? ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/26 "2016-08-26T23:44:51Z")
Because you aren’t changing the troop at all. A great troop is still going to be great no matter what you do to the economy. So in whatever way you can use the troop, it’s still guaranteed to be useful. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/27 "2016-08-26T23:46:55Z")
It is only defence; you dont get to use the troop. What basis would any legal issue have if the outcome of the defence is irrelevant apart from a W or a L on your stats screen ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/28 "2016-08-26T23:51:32Z")
It’s still using the troop Robert, even on defense. Also people take pride in these “W’s and L’s you get on screen.” If people pay for something and that something gets changed or taken away, you run the risk of getting sued. If we were paying for the game and not the troops, it would be different. I see what you are saying about rewards changing though, and yeah to an extent the economy/rewards do go hand n hand with usefulness. Though if you change the rewards you hurt your own sales. You have to feel power in this game in some way otherwise people won’t pay or use materials for cards. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/29 "2016-08-26T23:52:56Z")
Anyone who sues over that should be hung by the bollox ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/30 "2016-08-26T23:54:21Z")
I disagree. If I pay for something thinking it’s one thing then it gets changed into completely something else, I’d feel bamboozled. It’s called a swindle. Doesn’t sit well with most consumers. Edit: And yeah you do have an agreement you essentially sign when you enter most games, but that doesn’t mean people haven’t won cases over that. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/31 "2016-08-26T23:59:47Z")
Defense Lawyer: “Plaintiff, how many video games have you played in your lifetime?” Plaintiff: “Dozens, maybe hundreds.” Defense Lawyer: “Since the inception of online access, how many of these games have NEVER added, removed or altered content?” Plaintiff: “None.” Defense Lawyer (_turns to Judge_): “I move for immediate dismissal” Judge (_hammers gavel_): "Case dismissed’ ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/32 "2016-08-27T00:01:59Z")
I really dont get it, sorry. Im sure you are correct. ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 12:03am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/33 "2016-08-27T00:03:21Z")
There have been lots of changes in gaming, lot of lawsuits as well. I see what you did there 😉 The next go-to is obviously how many have been won? Some have some haven’t. Either way though that’s money spent from a company. The last thing you want is a class action lawsuit. ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 12:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/34 "2016-08-27T00:05:42Z")
Lawsuits have to pass a preliminary stage designed to reject frivolous lawsuits. Obviously they don’t catch everything, but I’d reject any lawsuit along these lines. ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/35 "2016-08-27T00:08:17Z")
Look I agree that something needs to be done, fully. All I said is it can be a legal issue. I just don’t think legally they could get away with creating some king of “penalizing” system for troops weekly. We just need a positive incentive to use different troops. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/36 "2016-08-27T00:09:54Z")
Getting rewards for using different troops? Isnt that positive? ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 12:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/37 "2016-08-27T00:11:17Z")
Yes very positive, but not if you penalize using other troops as some people have said. Like you can’t implement a “ban” on certain troops every weekend. IMO ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/38 "2016-08-27T00:17:39Z")
Ah ok. How about @eika’s idea? Everyone selecting 3 teams for defence and 1 being randomly selected each time? ---
**Author:** ![TaliaParks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/taliaparks/32/11738_2.png) [@TaliaParks](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/TaliaParks)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/39 "2016-08-27T00:20:28Z")
How do you build a team for an unknown opponent lineup? ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527/40 "2016-08-27T00:26:38Z")
I like that idea if like Talia said, you can figure out what team you’re fighting. I really like the idea because you get to set-up 3 different teams. I don’t think it would fix the problem though, because everyone would just AGAIN pick the same troops. [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improving-pvp-variety/11527.md?page=3)