# Improvement to Cheat Detection (and Consequent Bans)
**URL:** https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088
**Category:** Official News
**Created:** [May 16, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088 "2019-05-16T01:29:23Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@LastGrim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LastGrim)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/21 "2019-05-16T15:07:25Z")
Yes, I was waiting for just such an answer.
But I’m not banned. Just see the situation from a different angle. Really good people will leave, and cheaters will simply replace some cheats with others that are not yet tracked. Those who have had one account will not start from scratch. Those who lost 5 out of 10 characters will not notice the loss.
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### Author:  [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/22 "2019-05-16T15:09:25Z")
> [@LastGrim](#):
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> Really good people
If they cheated, then I disagree that they are a really good person
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### Author:  [@LuckyLocke](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LuckyLocke)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/23 "2019-05-16T15:09:36Z")
the end doesn’t always justify the means…if you give in to cheaters, you already have lost
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### Author:  [@LastGrim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LastGrim)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/24 "2019-05-16T15:12:57Z")
Not everyone can tolerate bullying. While the developers were inactive, the players defended themselves.
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### Author:  [@LuckyLocke](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LuckyLocke)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/25 "2019-05-16T15:14:17Z")
If you don’t like the game or parts of it, you are **always** free to leave
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### Author:  [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/26 "2019-05-16T15:17:06Z")
> [@LastGrim](#):
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> bullying
Who is/was bullying anyone?
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### Author:  [@LastGrim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LastGrim)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/27 "2019-05-16T15:17:13Z")
Not if you invested time and money here.
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### Author:  [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/28 "2019-05-16T15:18:22Z")
> [@LastGrim](#):
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> Not if you invested time and money here
Paying money shouldn’t mean you are free to break the rules or get treated any differently
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### Author:  [@Zepp](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Zepp)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/29 "2019-05-16T15:22:39Z")
I am very happy the devs are continuing to clean up this game. There are far too many cheaters and this is a great start.
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### Author:  [@LastGrim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LastGrim)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/30 "2019-05-16T15:25:54Z")
> [@Whiskeyjack](#):
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> Who is/was bullying anyone?
English is not my native language. Perhaps I do not catch the subtleties of the translation. I talked about the fact that some players could not tolerate the dominance of cheaters and began to fight with available means.
> [@Whiskeyjack](#):
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> Paying money shouldn’t mean you are free to break the rules or get treated any differently
They only wanted justice then, just like you are now. This is just a question - what is justice for you?
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### Author:  [@LuckyLocke](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LuckyLocke)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/31 "2019-05-16T15:31:41Z")
And justice is done by cheating back in your opinion?
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### Author:  [@LastGrim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LastGrim)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/32 "2019-05-16T15:36:50Z")
> [@LuckyLocke](#):
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> And justice is done by cheating back in your opinion?
I do not propose to cancel everything. But equally punishing the killer and the child who stole the food is a bad idea. Second chance. Just a second chance.
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### Author:  [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/33 "2019-05-16T15:44:38Z")
> [@LastGrim](#):
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> They only wanted justice then, just like you are now. This is just a question - what is justice for you?
Let’s say I am walking down the street at night. I pass a shop and notice the door is open. Someone comes out with a stolen TV. Other people are in the shop and stealing TVs.
Justice is not achieved by me also stealing a TV. If I also walk in and steal a TV, I am not less of a criminal then the first person. I am not “the child that stole the food” compared to “a killer”. I was not “forced” to steal. I’m just a criminal that stole a TV.
Justice is giving the same punishment to everyone that did the same crime.
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### Author:  [@LastGrim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LastGrim)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/34 "2019-05-16T15:54:13Z")
> [@Whiskeyjack](#):
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> Let’s say I am walking down the street at night. I pass a shop and notice the door is open. Someone comes out with a stolen TV. Other people are in the shop and stealing TVs.
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> Justice is not achieved by me also stealing a TV. If I also walk in and steal a TV, I am not less of a criminal then the first person. I am not “the child that stole the food” compared to “a killer”. I was not “forced” to steal. I’m just a criminal that stole a TV.
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> Justice is giving the same punishment to everyone that did the same crime.
And what led to a situation in which everyone steals TVs? What if no matter how hard you try, you will not be able to get a TV, because others steal them and the authorities do nothing? And if this situation is not only with TVs, but with a lot more things?
There is a difference between the instigators of bar fights and those who have to fight back.
Not just a real legal system is very complicated.
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### Author:  [@awryan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/awryan)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/35 "2019-05-16T18:02:31Z")
Cheating because others are cheating still makes you a cheater. This isn’t professional sports where livelihoods are dependent on success. It’s a video game and to think there’s any sort of justification to cheat in a video game is just asinine.
This is the “nice” version of the meme I wanted to post.
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### Author:  [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/36 "2019-05-16T19:33:05Z")
Christ. Devs aren’t going out of their way to ban people who are playing their game unless they have good reason to. They’ve got better things to do than effectively lose customers, paying or otherwise. I’m glad _most_ people in here realize this. My only complaints would be that this wasn’t done sooner or in greater quantities (face it, we didn’t get them all yet).
Doing something dumb because you saw other people doing it makes you just as dumb as they are. I could use any of a hundred+ different analogies for that.
I will happily refer any doubters/whiners/whatever to my post in the script thread -
> [@I like playing GoW with scripts](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-like-playing-gow-with-scripts/54972/11):
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> You’re kidding, right? It isn’t allowed. Get used to it.
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> Either you like the game enough to persist the same way everyone else has, or you don’t.
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### Author:  [@LastGrim](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/LastGrim)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/37 "2019-05-16T19:57:57Z")
IIt was important for me to express my opinion, even without a chance for support. Just know - not everyone thinks the same way
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### Author:  [@Smash](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Smash)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/38 "2019-05-16T21:38:33Z")
It really does not matter at all if others think the same way about it.
Cheating is against the ToS iirc. (havent read it in ages) If not, it is against 1 of the legal documents.
I could cheat and do my treasure hunts cause I know others do it, and I hate that mode (soooo tedious) but I decided I wont cheat, I will either use them myself if I really want to, or I wont play it.
Everyone else has the same choice for every single mode.
You can either cheat, Play it yourself, or not play it at all.
If you “have” to play a mode fro a guild, and you really do not want to, then leave and find a different guild. If there isnt a guild like that, make 1.
To think that you are entitled to cheat because someone else is, is just idiotic at best.
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### Author:  [@Jonathan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jonathan)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 10:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/40 "2019-05-16T22:34:26Z")
> [@LastGrim](#):
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> cheating players in top raits of events.
I will say that I do still think it’s unfair that rewards (generally speaking) aren’t adjusted after cheating players are banned in leaderboard events.
Medals **are** awarded retroactively if this happens in the Olympics – the pinnacle of competitive sport, and an event about which the GemMakin’BobsledTeam is very passionate!
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### Author:  [@Slypenslyde](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Slypenslyde)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/improvement-to-cheat-detection-and-consequent-bans/55088/41 "2019-05-16T23:40:09Z")
> [@Saltypatra](#):
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> I’d recommend to our team to fix the cheating AI if it actually, you know, cheated.
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> 
I don’t know, have you ever seen it log off? Seems like no matter when I play it’s around. I’m pretty sure it’s account sharing.
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