# \[ Implemented \] Change Banshee to Undead + Fey **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests and Game feedback\ **Created:** [April 5, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246 "2017-04-05T19:30:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ariel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ariel/32/17124_2.png) [@Ariel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ariel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/1 "2017-04-05T19:30:06Z")
> **[Banshee](https://gems-of-war.fandom.com/wiki/Banshee)** For the record, a Banshee, or Ban Sidhe is Fey, and is **not** Undead. The word Sidhe **_literally means_** Fey, so if the Banshee is going to be only one Type, it should be Fey. This is basically like having a Baby Dragon be Undead but _not_ a Dragon (or Frost Giant and Giant, or Goblin King and Goblin). It seems like the team has been trying to ensure that new Troops (and some updated ones) fall under **two** Types. So this would be in line with game design, not just to please etymology or mythology nerds. (Although this is just straight out of a standard dictionary, this isn’t esoterica.) Another option if you want to stick with the D&D (Undead) version of Banshee, would be to make the Banshee an Elf and an Undead. Elf is somewhat synonymous with Fey (although not in GoW, obviously). P.S. I thought it was interesting that they chose to make the Marid a Human. ---
**Author:** ![WishKiller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/wishkiller/32/36914_2.png) [@WishKiller](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WishKiller)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/2 "2017-04-05T22:18:59Z")
I agree 100& there…and they should change all of the hyena creatures from wildfolk to Gnoll…because that’s exactly what a Gnoll is. ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 10:04am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/3 "2017-04-06T10:04:50Z")
i think the design devs chose for this troop was not taken from the origin of its name she is clearly an undead by the look of the picture and for the record , only banshee i know (from few sources) were undead - turned from a woman unhappy in her life that she decided to scream for the rest of eternity (and haunt humans ofc) i dont see banshee current design and typing as wrong at all perhaps she was fey before she died and become an undead (turned into undead in ghoulvania it seems) ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 10:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/4 "2017-04-06T10:24:44Z")
> [@Ariel](#): > > The word Sidhe literally means Fey, so if the Banshee is going to be only one Type, it should be Fey. That’s quite a bit of freedom you took there, taking half the name and deciding from it that the creature is actually Fey. According to Wikipedia, banshee’s original meaning in Irish is “woman of the fairy mound”, where “fairy mound” seems to mean a burial place in this context. The Banshee’s name does not contain any hints on what she is, only where she supposedly came from. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ariel/32/17124_2.png) [@Ariel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ariel)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/5 "2017-04-06T17:52:16Z")
This is the most puzzling resistance. “This says he’s from Mars, why do you keep saying he’s a Martian?” Fairies come from fairy mounds. You can open a standard print dictionary, this is not some crazy theory. As far as taking “half” a name, that’s exactly how etymology works. Root1 + Root2 = word Acrophobia = Heights + Fear even though only “Half” the name means “fear.” I assume it’s a fear of heights and not open spaces because “half” the word is heights. Google **Sidhe** or **The Sidhe**. No liberties taken. I’d like to reiterate I suggested that they **_ADD FEY_** , not remove Undead. Anybody who likes the Banshee as Undead, rejoice, she still will be! _[Like I said, this resistance is puzzling.]_ More types = more fun for GoW, more interactions, more synergies, more weaknesses. Please make the case that she’s Undead using any tools and logical assumptions at your disposal. > **[Aos Sí](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aos_S%C3%AD#Types_of_aos_s.C3.AD)** > > Aos sí (pronounced \[iːsˠ ˈʃiː\]; older form: aes sídhe \[eːsˠ ˈʃiːə\]) is the Irish name for a supernatural race in Celtic mythology – spelled sìth by the Scots, but pronounced the same – comparable to fairies or elves. They are said to descend from either fallen angels or the Tuatha Dé Danann, meaning the "People of Danu", depending on the Abrahamic or pagan tradition. > The aos sí are said to live underground in fairy forts, across the Western sea, or in an invisible world that co-exists with th... ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/6 "2017-04-06T18:16:53Z")
As fascinating as the lore behind the name is, it’s a fact that in most fantasy settings, banshees are represented as restless undead spirits, not fey creatures. I think you are spitting into the wind with this particular request. ---
**Author:** ![Jainus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jainus/32/34949_2.png) [@Jainus](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jainus)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/7 "2017-04-06T19:02:46Z")
I do love a bit of crossover mythology like best of us. I’d rather Fey was written Fae. While we’re at it we should distinguish Seelie and Unseelie Fae. I agree it feels right that Banshee could be Undead Fey. I don’t agree that this is unarguable logic though, it’s all made-up fantasy nonsense anyway. Next we’ll be saying half the dragons don’t look like proper Welsh dragons… ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/8 "2017-04-06T20:15:00Z")
the same wiki also confirms it could as well not be a fey but ghost(undead): “The tales sometimes recounted that the woman, though called a fairy, was a ghost, often of a specific murdered woman, or a mother who died in childbirth.” > **[Banshee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banshee)** > > A banshee (/ˈbænʃiː/ BAN-shee; Modern Irish bean sí, from Old Irish: ben síde \[bʲen ˈʃiːðʲe\], "woman of the fairy mound" or "fairy woman") is a female spirit in Irish folklore who heralds the death of a family member, usually by screaming, wailing, shrieking, or keening. Her name is connected to the mythologically important tumuli or "mounds" that dot the Irish countryside, which are known as síde (singular síd) in Old Irish. > Sometimes she has long streaming hair and wears a grey cloak over a... ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/9 "2017-04-06T20:44:31Z")
> [@Ariel](#): > > “This says he’s from Mars, why do you keep saying he’s a Martian?” “Martian” still only means “came from Mars”, it doesn’t say anything else about the person/creature itself. If there are multiple races that can come from Mars, it can be any of them - humanoids, animals, even a normal human who happened to be born and raised on Mars. What you’re trying to do is give the name of a place more meaning than it actually has. Sidhe - “fairy mounds” is the name of real mounds that exist all over the place, and would be called that by people who don’t believe in fairies all the same. Many places are named after things that don’t even live there - not everyone who happened to come from Buffalo is a large bovine, even though you call them “Buffalonians”. ---
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/10 "2017-04-06T21:41:19Z")
This. A lot of the stuff in this game borrows from standard fantasy RPG lore, most of which is based directly or indirectly on D&D (which in turn borrowed heavily from Tolkien but I digress). In D&D, banshees were undead. ---
**Author:** ![Amadan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/amadan/32/7653_2.png) [@Amadan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Amadan)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/12 "2017-04-06T22:16:14Z")
When in doubt about how different mythologies, popular culture, literature, games, and Gems of War’s in-universe story interact, refer to [Bellisario’s Maxim](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BellisariosMaxim) for the answer: “ **Don’t examine this too closely.** ” ---
**Author:** ![yonizaf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/yonizaf/32/1435_2.png) [@yonizaf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yonizaf)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 6:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/13 "2017-04-07T06:13:23Z")
Banshee had the type Fey added. I hope you’re happy. ---
**Author:** ![Gouki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/gouki/32/22405_2.png) [@Gouki](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Gouki)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 6:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/14 "2017-04-07T06:19:31Z")
Banshee meta incoming! ---
**Author:** ![Ariel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ariel/32/17124_2.png) [@Ariel](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ariel)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 7:07am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/15 "2017-04-07T07:07:29Z")
> [@yonizaf](#): > > Banshee had the type Fey added. I hope you’re happy. Why on Earth would anyone be unhappy? ---
**Author:** ![Draprion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/draprion/32/8238_2.png) [@Draprion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draprion)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 8:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/16 "2017-04-07T08:56:51Z")
> [@Lyya](#): > > As fascinating as the lore behind the name is, it’s a fact that in most fantasy settings, banshees are represented as restless undead spirits, not fey creatures. I think you are spitting into the wind with this particular request. Looks like spitting in the wind isn’t as bad as one would imagine! ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/17 "2017-04-07T14:17:33Z")
Damn, never let it be said that this dev team ignores its customers. Very classy, guys. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/18 "2017-04-07T14:21:41Z")
Who keeps spitting in the wind!!!?? 😡 It keeps hitting me! STOP IT! 😥👈 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Nimhain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nimhain/32/47049_2.png) [@Nimhain](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nimhain)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/19 "2017-04-07T14:22:23Z")
> [@efh313](#): > > Who keeps spitting in the wind!!!?? 😡 > It keeps hitting me! STOP IT! 😥👈 > > 😉 I just thought was rain… do you mean it wasn’t? ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/20 "2017-04-07T14:28:47Z")
_shakes head at @Nimhain_ 🕶 ☝… ☀ “There’s not a cloud in the sky Nim… That’s not rain…” ---
**Author:** ![Whiskeyjack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whiskeyjack/32/65850_2.png) [@Whiskeyjack](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Whiskeyjack)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246/21 "2017-04-07T16:06:48Z")
Your emoji game is off the charts today efh! [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/implemented-change-banshee-to-undead-fey/22246.md?page=2)