# If Gem Creators are being nerfed **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [July 13, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355 "2017-07-13T03:13:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EliteMasterEric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/elitemastereric/32/59948_2.png) [@EliteMasterEric](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/EliteMasterEric)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355/1 "2017-07-13T03:13:13Z")
…we should get a refund for them, all 70 of them. Nerfs give refunds because after changes many people may not want to use troops anymore. Many of the troops that create gems are now really bad due to their near-inability to create matches, in fact hurting you because it gives the AI matches. I’ve moved away from those teams, and would like my traitstones and levels back to use for new teams. ---
**Author:** ![Rickygervais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@Rickygervais](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rickygervais)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355/2 "2017-07-13T03:20:17Z")
Relax they are trying to fix it, no need to scream for scandal ---
**Author:** ![Arturo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@Arturo](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arturo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355/3 "2017-07-13T04:19:36Z")
I can understand this. There were a couple I leveled up when they were bugged. Even though I’m not in need of the stones and souls, I can see lower level players that also leveled them up that could really use those resources back. ---
**Author:** ![Clark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/clark/32/29631_2.png) [@Clark](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 4:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355/4 "2017-07-13T04:22:23Z")
> [@Rickygervais](#): > > Relax they are trying to fix it, no need to scream for scandal You are wrong @Rickygervais, they only respond to these types of rants anymore. They have no problems making stealth adjustments to nerf the hell out of a troop or a function but when it comes time to reverse that then they claim they have to think on it and weigh all options and other such BS. Quick they are to pull the nerf trigger but slow as hell to reverse it when its shown they have screwed up yet again. ---
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 8:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355/5 "2017-07-13T08:45:17Z")
I’m pretty sure they are done fixing it on pc/unity. I’ve seen post in the appropriate threads where the devs say that the current pc/unity implementation is where it is meant to be. Some of us don’t agree with that of course 🙂 Mostly because some teams that used to work before the unity patch (sacrifice team for example), don’t work at all anymore, since it went from a success rate of 75% to one below 25%… Which seems to conflict with the “same as before unity” statement… ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 11:49am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355/6 "2017-07-13T11:49:43Z")
those are the latest responces i could find > [@POLL: Random Gem Spawners](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/56): > > We are **working on** improving the AI as I have said in many other threads. However, this takes time, care, and rigorous testing. It is not something that we will be able to move on quickly if we want to get it right. > [@Who flipped the "F\*\*\* You" switch?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/who-flipped-the-f-you-switch/27112/95): > > The AI and RNG will be undergoing more changes. This **may include reverting some tweaks**. There isn’t anything else I can say regarding this. > [@POLL: Random Gem Spawners](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/60): > > To clarify, **we are reading your responses and are hard at work doing what we can**. There is nothing else to be announced at this time. When we have further information for everyone I will make an official post outlining everything. > [@POLL: Random Gem Spawners](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/63): > > Please be aware that there is a difference with these between our platforms at the moment. By the time Mobile and Console receive the new update, everyone will be on the same playing field and there will be more consistency. by my understanding it means it is still being tweaked, and even re-thought to some extent ---
**Author:** ![Arelana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/arelana/32/16081_2.png) [@Arelana](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Arelana)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 12:01pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355/7 "2017-07-13T12:01:31Z")
Agreed, I understood the same, that tweaks are still being done. If they ultimately decide to keep generators worthless, though, I don’t think expecting refunds would be out of line - especially for players who don’t have a huge pool of resources to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 1:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355/8 "2017-07-13T13:27:08Z")
This is the one I recalled: > [@POLL: Random Gem Spawners](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/56): > > @Beanie42 @Mithran this combo breaker is working as intended, and how Sirrian outlined in February, on PC and Mobile. This will be coming to console with the next update. Which is what was fixed (a tad to much) after all the research Mithral did on the weird gem spawner behaviour. As documented here: > [@So how is everyone experiencing the console cascades?](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/so-how-is-everyone-experiencing-the-console-cascades/26097/163): > > The behaviour @Mithran documented was a bug in our gem spam adjustments. Console hasn’t been affected by the changes at all to it yet, so it will still create 15 new gems randomly on the board, and not overwrite its own colour. > > We’ll take the feedback from people and balance the adjustment further if need be We have been asking for more tweaking (as mentioned) in that thread as well as in others, just never really heard anything official on it, nor is the spawner team I mentioned any more playable now (after 2 weeks). So to me it looks like nothing happened after Alpheon’s fix (in regards to gem spawners). So let’s hope I just interpreted Salty’s statement wrongly then 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 1:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355/9 "2017-07-13T13:31:30Z")
> [@POLL: Random Gem Spawners](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/poll-random-gem-spawners/26664/63): > > Two different combo breakers. One stops excessive looping from the AI and player, which is the one we were discussing above. > > The second one stops the AI from getting as many cascades as the player. This gradually decreases as you progress through the PVP ranks, making the chance of getting lucky more even between the player and the AI. there are two combo breakers, and yeah i hope the anti-loop one is still worked on i couldnt care less about cascades being stopped “too often” if at all, id rather increase the efficiency of cascade blocker to work more often as those new 3.0.5 cascades are too much for my taste 😛 but i think the cascade blocker is - and works as intended - suppose to work only until tier 1 ---
**Author:** ![Mad\_Butch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mad_butch/32/22903_2.png) [@Mad\_Butch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mad_Butch)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/if-gem-creators-are-being-nerfed/27355/10 "2017-07-13T13:32:32Z")
Me to… I’m kinda stuck with one good team now, for ranked pvp. Maybe the new cards tomorrow will add some new fun teams. And agreed on the cascades… it’s still to crazy for my liking. I think there would have been much more stink about them without the x4 speed option… so that feature was well planned 🙂