# I will test the trait stone RNG for you **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [September 9, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116 "2016-09-09T14:02:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/1 "2016-09-09T14:02:52Z")
Good morning everybody and happy Friday šŸ™‚ Thereā€™s been so much talk recently about RNG in the traitstone farming process lately. I have really loved to see it. The reason I say that is because this recent discussion meshes well with what I have coincidentally been working on, which is building teams then farming my silly arse off in various kingdom to see what soul / traitstones I can get in a 20 minute period. So what Iā€™m thinking is if anybody has a particular team theyā€™d like tested (provided I have it reasonably built up), let me know the build and Iā€™ll run a 20 minute test for you then post the results (and video). I figure if Iā€™m doing it for myself anyhow, I might as well satisfy the curiosity of other people who have been genuinely wondering if they have been snake-bit by RNGesus. Let me know what you think, suggest your teams, kingdoms, etc. And if you have any notions about how I can do this work in an efficient and scientifically valid way, Iā€™d appreciate hearing your thoughts as well. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/robert/32/12802_2.png) [@Robert](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/2 "2016-09-09T14:17:42Z")
It would be great to know what team to use, and what challenge to pick, to maximise efficiency for each kingdom ---
**Author:** ![therealwetwilly](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/therealwetwilly/32/4178_2.png) [@therealwetwilly](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/therealwetwilly)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/3 "2016-09-09T14:31:40Z")
Krudler: fast teams: - shadow hunter - behemoth - valkyrie - druid (WITH waterlink on SH,valk, and druid) - Bulā€™tauros - dustdevil - dustdevil - dustdevil (with empowered on dustdevil) ---
**Author:** ![Isis\_Kitty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/isis_kitty/32/9189_2.png) [@Isis\_Kitty](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Isis_Kitty)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/4 "2016-09-09T14:35:52Z")
An interesting idea, but I do see one problem. Seeing as how different teams take different amounts of time to complete any given battle, and that 20 minutes is not very long, I would suggest instead going a certain number of battles with each team, which would make the test a little more statistic. Even posting how long it took to do said battles. Otherwise, the results of traitstones will be skewed. ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/5 "2016-09-09T14:36:12Z")
I donā€™t think 20 minute tests are going to result in much. ---
**Author:** ![therealwetwilly](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/therealwetwilly/32/4178_2.png) [@therealwetwilly](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/therealwetwilly)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/6 "2016-09-09T14:41:35Z")
Iā€™m sure Krudler is up for 20minutes PER kingdom šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/7 "2016-09-09T14:42:45Z")
Yeah thatā€™s what I meant. 20 minutes is not long at all. Thatā€™s how many battles on average 5 or 6, maybe 10 at the highest. How many traitstones are expecting to receive from that? ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 3:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/8 "2016-09-09T15:33:47Z")
We have aggregate data for several users on the relative drop rates of stones in non-explore mode here: > [@Traitstone Drop-rates](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/traitstone-drop-rates/2482/134): > > Total statistics for the thread: Minor - 889 Major - 440 Runic - 134 Arcane - 29 Celestial - 12 Total - 1504 With 1500 samples, that is a 2.6% margin of error Minor - 58.3 - 59.9% Major - 28.9 - 29.6% Runic - 8.8 - 9.0% Arcane - 1.90 - 1.95% Celestial - 0.8% In addition, I recorded my arcane drops from Explore for over 1000 battles and posted my data here: > [@Explore mode Ghulvania drop sample](http://community.gemsofwar.com/t/explore-mode-ghulvania-drop-sample/10781/20): > > Here is my tracking data. Iā€™ve only been tracking Arcanes: First 10 arcanes before tracking but I switched to assassin class before doing exploring at 0 battles in assassin class and 0 of the needed arcane Arcane 11 - 198 Arcane 12 - 230 Arcane 13 - 244 Arcane 14 - 253 14/253 set 14/253 total (changed to archer class, 2913 start) Arcane 15 - 2950 Arcane 16 - 2974 Arcane 17 - 2977 Arcane 18 - 2989 Arcane 19 - 2992 Arcane 20 - 2993 6/80 set 20/333 total (pvp 2994 - 3120) Arcane ā€¦ The numbers for arcanes seem to track, so its a fair bet everything else is pretty close and can be calculated for Explores. Feel free to do your own tests, but it takes a pretty large sample size to close in on more accurate results. ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/9 "2016-09-09T16:00:43Z")
Itā€™s not to do a statistical analysis, people. Itā€™s for people who think that the RNG is against them and want to see if its ā€œjust themā€. Wow, I underestimated how smart some of the people were around here. ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/10 "2016-09-09T16:04:08Z")
Yeah I know the feeling. You canā€™t prove or disprove whether rng is against anyone if youā€™re only going to take that small pool of data. ---
**Author:** ![KrudlerTheHorse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/krudlerthehorse/32/9505_2.png) [@KrudlerTheHorse](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KrudlerTheHorse)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/11 "2016-09-09T16:06:28Z")
Well what would be better? An hour, two? IDC really since Iā€™m investing the time myself anyhow. ---
**Author:** ![HKdirewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/hkdirewolf/32/21614_2.png) [@HKdirewolf](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/HKdirewolf)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/12 "2016-09-09T16:12:00Z")
You donā€™t have to prove anything to me. I didnā€™t set out to discredit you. Iā€™ve rather enjoyed your videos and think you should keep it up. All Iā€™m saying is if you only spend 20 minutes like most people will, then get bummed out when they donā€™t strike it rich, doesnā€™t prove anything. You could do it for different time periods and see if the rewards change any for you. Start with 20, then go up. Just an idea. ---
**Author:** ![therealwetwilly](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/therealwetwilly/32/4178_2.png) [@therealwetwilly](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/therealwetwilly)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/13 "2016-09-09T16:29:23Z")
> [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > Well what would be better? An hour, two? IDC really since Iā€™m investing the time myself anyhow. About 533K gold/week šŸ˜† ---
**Author:** ![Mithran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mithran/32/18064_2.png) [@Mithran](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mithran)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/14 "2016-09-09T16:58:36Z")
> [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > Well what would be better? An hour, two? IDC really since Iā€™m investing the time myself anyhow. An hour or two would be better, but still not representative. What it can speak to more, however, is how different personal experience versus expectation can be. Its more of a ā€œhow lucky am Iā€ as opposed to ā€œhow rare is xā€. So long as you are clear about that, it is fine. Just trying to stop potential severely skewed data as being taken as ā€œthe way things areā€ for less informed members of our player base. Like your videos, keep doing what you do. ---
**Author:** ![yavanna07](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4af34b/32.png) [@yavanna07](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/yavanna07)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/15 "2016-09-09T17:23:33Z")
what means RNG? ---
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/16 "2016-09-09T17:26:46Z")
> [@yavanna07](#): > > what means RNG? Random Number Generator ---
**Author:** ![Draprion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/draprion/32/8238_2.png) [@Draprion](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Draprion)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/17 "2016-09-10T07:13:59Z")
If you do 1000 20 minute runs it would show how many arcanes on average you would expect to get per run! ---
**Author:** ![PowerPlay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/powerplay/32/3886_2.png) [@PowerPlay](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/PowerPlay)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/18 "2016-09-10T12:58:19Z")
Iā€™ve taken a liking to my Legion of Boom. Herdmaster\*\*\* Gorgotha\* Ragnagord Poison Master\*\*\* My Herdmasterā€™s a fully traited fully leveled mythic. Gorgotha only has 1 trait, and at his natural cap of 19. The other 2 are ascended legendaries at 19. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/19 "2016-09-10T18:42:16Z")
Leave it to the brony to have a Herdmaster out front. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![PowerPlay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/powerplay/32/3886_2.png) [@PowerPlay](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/PowerPlay)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-will-test-the-trait-stone-rng-for-you/12116/20 "2016-09-10T22:54:25Z")
Hay, hay, hayā€¦ I use Herdmaster because Herdmaster is buckinā€™ awesome! Iā€™m not wasting the only fully traited mythic I actually give half a horseapple about!