# I want a concrete explanation as to why the flower dragon isnt replaced on defense **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [August 17, 2025, 12:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477 "2025-08-17T00:45:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Born2beagator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Born2beagator](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Born2beagator)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 12:45am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/1 "2025-08-17T00:45:42Z")
@Jeto I dont know if you’ve spoken on this before but what is the logic of replacing stellarix with diamantina but not the new flower dragon with diamantina? Its completely inconsistent and if you haven’t already answered it i believe the dev team owes us an answer on this inconsistentcy. Imo the reason is simply “We don’t care” from the devs Facing the top dps troop in the game with the kind of restrictions we have is not fair. Ps: before anyone says git gud ive gone 5-0 every day this week and beaten 4 of the blasted things ---
**Author:** ![DracoL1ch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/dracol1ch/32/75027_2.png) [@DracoL1ch](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DracoL1ch)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 1:27am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/2 "2025-08-17T01:27:14Z")
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**Author:** ![G0blin0verL0rd7](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/g0blin0verl0rd7/32/72891_2.png) [@G0blin0verL0rd7](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/G0blin0verL0rd7)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 3:50am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/3 "2025-08-17T03:50:44Z")
We all know the reason Stella got replaced is because the Stella/Wand of Stars combo was unbearable. I don’t think the devs view Chrys as a nuisance, but The Maraji Queen and dual Taks teams _do_ exist. ---
**Author:** ![Born2beagator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Born2beagator](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Born2beagator)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 4:06am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/4 "2025-08-17T04:06:44Z")
Its the same as stellarix. The looping potential isn’t quite there but it is there. It hits harder too. There is no logical reason to not remove it ---
**Author:** ![Darkborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkborne/32/95796_2.png) [@Darkborne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkborne)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 5:21am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/5 "2025-08-17T05:21:38Z")
Based off the decision to change Stellarix to Diamantina, it follows the same principle–keep power creep in check and make PvP and Guild Wars more balanced. Chrysantherax can nearly defeat an entire team in one cast, and when it has a 50% mana start with Maraji Queen or a fast mana start with Leprachaun, that can lead to some unbalance. Whenever I beat those team compositions, I feel like I got lucky with a good board or cripple it with elementalist. And it also seems like if you can’t freeze/stun Chrysantherax or Takshaka by the end of your 2nd turn, you just end up losing. ---
**Author:** ![Born2beagator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Born2beagator](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Born2beagator)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 5:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/6 "2025-08-17T05:56:47Z")
A good example is today. Had just that. Chrysantherax/maraji queen/leprechaun. Dragon filled very quickly, got a cast off that killed 3 troops. But I just happened to get reflect on my whole team which killed the dragon and let me win. Pure luck. ---
**Author:** ![Darkborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkborne/32/95796_2.png) [@Darkborne](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkborne)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 6:56am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/7 "2025-08-17T06:56:39Z")
That is a perfect example of “luck” and quite frankly, the game seems to be so full of garbage that it’s not even a fragment of what it used to be. In the “book meta,” for guild wars, we dealt with bandits being summoned non-stop with other annoyances while using Zuul-Goth or Ctharrasque to defeat the hero and deal with the rest of the team. Personally, I feel like the new Guild Wars is complete and utter nonsense, but I don’t even know how to “balance" it anymore. (And I am not even confident in my analysis of what would be best for everyone). Do we have a randomly assigned keep to defend each day? Some people can’t play everyday or might be annoyed at assigning defenses for 4 separate days… Do we change Chrysantherax to Diamantina to make Elemental, Dragon, and Palace defenses easier? Some people like the difficulty while others would enjoy easier battles… Do we restrict defenses by making players have to use 4 different troops? This would reduce the effectiveness of Takshaka, Pharaoh Khafru, Emberclaw, etc., but that would relieve some of the stress of not knowing what will happen on the enemy’s turn if you can’t disable them with elemntalist… Chrysantherax needs to revert to Diamantina. Plain and simple. Wand of Stars with Elementalist was the root of the issue though because that could loop for awhile and was pretty annoying. ---
**Author:** ![slumzee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@slumzee](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/slumzee)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 11:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/8 "2025-08-17T11:37:10Z")
Honestly.. Stella is still better than Chryssy. Chryssy is strong. But isn’t near as unbearable as stella was. ---
**Author:** ![Born2beagator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Born2beagator](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Born2beagator)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 12:38pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/9 "2025-08-17T12:38:38Z")
I disagree. It hits harder and gets rid of skulls. Its looping potential isnt that bad. When the stellarix change first came down I was against it. I didnt have an issue with it in pvp…but that was when I could use my own ---
**Author:** ![NerdieBirdie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nerdiebirdie/32/103793_2.png) [@NerdieBirdie](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NerdieBirdie)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/10 "2025-08-17T14:27:11Z")
I get why Stella/Chrys are viewed as unfair, especially in restricted modes like GW where your tools against them are highly limited. Banning/replacing more troops in Guild Wars sets a precedent, though, that very strong troops that people have worked hard to earn should not be allowed in the mode. My hope for the upcoming Bastions is that they give players enough tools to be able to stand a chance against these beasts and eliminating the need to ban them. There will always be strong, difficult to beat troops, and that’s fine! But hopefully the new system makes there be less frequent impossible situations. ---
**Author:** ![Nagflar\_dv](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nagflar_dv/32/100704_2.png) [@Nagflar\_dv](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Nagflar_dv)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 10:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/11 "2025-08-17T22:50:19Z")
> [@NerdieBirdie](#): > > is that they give players enough tools to be able to stand a chance against these beasts I\m not sure about it - devs said basions should be a helping hand with statuses like a freeze or entangle or something, not chryz) I dunno if chryz needs to be raplaced - we all are in a same boat - i face dag+chryz, my opponent face them too. 4/1 3/2 3/2 5/0 this GW and it’s new basis - our opponents have played 2 times worse, so victory is victory. If someone just need personal rewards - the gate is the answer, or some other buildings you sure to kill. ---
**Author:** ![KittyKisses343](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kittykisses343/32/83076_2.png) [@KittyKisses343](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KittyKisses343)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 11:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/12 "2025-08-17T23:27:45Z")
Honestly I feel it’s wrong to nerf our troops at all. Let our team be what we set. If they unnerfed the Wand/Stellarix combo they wouldn’t need to ever nerf the new flower dragon. I say remove nerfs from our Journey troops, our weapons like dawn bringer, dusk bringer, wand of stars, Stellarix etc. @Jeto ---
**Author:** ![WHOCARES25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/whocares25/32/102013_2.png) [@WHOCARES25](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/WHOCARES25)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 11:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/13 "2025-08-18T11:12:40Z")
I haven’t got Chrys , and I actually hate it 🤣. But don’t agree with nerfing it, it costs a lot of game time to acquire, definitely not into punishing players that earned it through playing. ---
**Author:** ![KittyKisses343](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kittykisses343/32/83076_2.png) [@KittyKisses343](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/KittyKisses343)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 12:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/14 "2025-08-20T12:58:49Z")
It’s a shame that some of the better troops for a lower level player, such as the journey troops got nerfed (they return to how they were originally designed though at shiny level 3), at this point it is totally redundant to keep Stellarix nerfed especially with guild wars the way it is, same with the big 3 weapons at this point (dawn breaker, dusk bringer and wand of stars) if the devs really wanted to even the game back out and keep new players (lower levels who need all the help they can get) then the devs would remove the nerfs. @Jeto ---
**Author:** ![Moribund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@Moribund](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Moribund)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2025, 3:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-want-a-concrete-explanation-as-to-why-the-flower-dragon-isnt-replaced-on-defense/88477/15 "2025-08-23T03:55:09Z")
In GW, when you are forced to use a specific city for your attack team, beating Tak and Chrys teams are done based on pure luck. Did you escape getting frozen by their Elementalist Hero? Are you able to match 4 or more on your first move? The town’s weapon won’t help you purge your troops status ailments unless it’s Nexus. Your troops will have a limited selection of talents which really don’t counter Tak and Chrys very well. Your attack teams won’t hit very hard unless the city has a special troop and you own it, like Zuul, Cath or MDN.