# I think explore is a rip off **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (General)\ **Created:** [September 8, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105 "2016-09-08T17:25:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![htismaqe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/htismaqe/32/23893_2.png) [@htismaqe](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/htismaqe)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105/61 "2016-10-07T21:23:45Z")
So basically like the rewards you get for completing revenge matches in PVP… Not a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 9:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105/62 "2016-10-07T21:26:03Z")
Just delete the majors. Please, no more majors… ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105/63 "2016-10-07T22:34:18Z")
While I agree with you @Stan, it is a necessary evil. But I don’t think this would scew anything or break the economy. It just helps to guarantee the drop rates are what the devs say they should be by guaranteeing you receive a stone of a particular level after x number of battles. It takes away the feeling of futility when grinding and getting nothing from RNGesus. The human psyche is an important thing to consider and if players begin to think it’s futile to play then you begin to lose players. ---
**Author:** ![Stan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/stan/32/29888_2.png) [@Stan](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Stan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105/64 "2016-10-07T22:40:34Z")
I agree completely, but adding in majors won’t do anything to help anyone feel better about their drop rates. It would be totally cool to just start with runics, and every 25, 50 and 100 sounds just fine. ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105/65 "2016-10-07T23:05:10Z")
Fair point. I thought you meant only exclude majors but keep minors. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Darkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/darkness/32/2712_2.png) [@Darkness](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Darkness)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105/66 "2016-11-26T14:33:05Z")
I’m starting to feel a little bit the same as the topic starter. I’ve spent a lot of time this week doing explore in Pan’s Vale to get arcane light traitstones (I’ve done about 125-150 explores this week), but I’ve not been very successful… ☹ 125-150 explores have given me 2 arcane light traitstones. Which is about a 1 in 65-75 droprate which is a far cry from the 1 in 16-17 that’s being reported in this topic. So, while I think “rip off” is pushing it, “waste of time” would seem to apply to explore mode IMHO… Then again, maybe the RNG gods wil favour me more in the near future… I certainly hope so, 'cause this has not been a fun GoW week for me with the explore frustration increasing every day… ---
**Author:** ![legalle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/legalle/32/8250_2.png) [@legalle](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/legalle)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105/67 "2016-11-26T14:48:39Z")
Well I don’t use explore much these days. Because my experience has rarely been good. Yes I did get lucky once or twice and found 2 arcanes after each other, but normally i play like 30-40 games and get nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Spherix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/spherix/32/2388_2.png) [@Spherix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Spherix)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105/68 "2016-11-26T14:55:39Z")
I actually just started seriously grinding explore mode this week, and have been pretty pleased with the results so far. I’d say I’ve done a similar number of battles, but I’ve gotten 6-8 arcanes out of it, which is close to the reported rates. It can certainly be frustrating at times. I think there’s a point at which a fast team makes it feel worse, even if it’s actually better, because you spend more time clicking through the map interface, waiting on traits to activate, and clicking through the rewards screen than you actually do in battle. ---
**Author:** ![UKresistance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ukresistance/32/7558_2.png) [@UKresistance](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/UKresistance)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105/69 "2016-11-26T17:36:08Z")
Explore mode is better than no explore mode. \close topic lol ---
**Author:** ![NowayJoe2Go](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/nowayjoe2go/32/14045_2.png) [@NowayJoe2Go](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/NowayJoe2Go)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105/70 "2016-11-26T18:35:33Z")
> [@Mithran](#): > > 16 or 1 in 17 battles (or 6 to 6.2%), according to my data collected from over 1000 battles. Streaks happen in both directions, but it evens out over time. Luckily, the rate for explore is just high enough where, if you are fast in your clears, you very rarely would go a couple hours without getting a stone. I still think pity drop Thanks for sharing. I also like your suggestion of a pity drop every 50 to even things out. NowayJoe2Go [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-think-explore-is-a-rip-off/12105.md?page=3)