# I hate Frozen. I hate Frozen. I hate Frozen **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PC/Mobile)\ **Created:** [May 26, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438 "2016-05-26T16:07:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![captain\_video](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@captain\_video](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/captain_video)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/1 "2016-05-26T16:07:47Z")
I just wanted everyone to know that. ---
**Author:** ![Machiknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/machiknight/32/6108_2.png) [@Machiknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Machiknight)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/2 "2016-05-26T16:09:19Z")
Hmmmm, time to make a frozen deck… ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/3 "2016-05-26T16:18:30Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/d/2/d252155feabc3fa44736083ac65c4c972db7cd14.jpeg "FROZEN | Let It Go Sing-along | Official Disney UK") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU) ---
**Author:** ![Malkav](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/malkav/32/3562_2.png) [@Malkav](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Malkav)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/4 "2016-05-26T16:22:11Z")
Snap! Lyya beat me to it. And I understand your dislike captain\_video. It can make for a bad match, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![captain\_video](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@captain\_video](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/captain_video)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/5 "2016-05-26T16:43:33Z")
I can beat the Frozen decks I’ve seen so far, but they take FOREVER… I would almost prefer the 4x Celestina\*\*\* ! ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/6 "2016-05-26T17:09:10Z")
I was gonna do Let it Go. Obviously someone had to. ---
**Author:** ![captain\_video](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@captain\_video](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/captain_video)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/7 "2016-05-26T18:07:59Z")
I just beat 3x IK\*\*\* + War\*\*\*, with three extra IK resurrected. Frozen is worse. ---
**Author:** ![Razlath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razlath/32/659_2.png) [@Razlath](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razlath)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/8 "2016-05-26T18:14:32Z")
It is a status ailment that should have been removed not expanded. There are better ways to accomplish new and interesting game twists. The changes to poison are great, the addition of barrier awesome. Frozen just sucks to play against and is a coin toss between completely wrecking a run and having zero effect. It just depends on the board, where you are in your combo, etc. It doesn’t produce variety of gameplay, it removes choices and drags everything down to a crawl. The more I play with it in the game, the less I like it, and the more ridiculously cheap it feels. -Razlath ---
**Author:** ![Rasper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/rasper/32/2363_2.png) [@Rasper](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Rasper)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/9 "2016-05-26T18:22:39Z")
It certainly makes Mercy’s full team cure even more powerful. I tried a deck with Borealis + Mercy against my own defense (Maw x2, Mercy, Sheggra). I got a first turn mercy, filled Borealis, and froze the entire opposing team before he got a turn. The AI then used his Mercy and frozen go bye bye. ---
**Author:** ![Shimrra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/shimrra/32/87_2.png) [@Shimrra](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Shimrra)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/10 "2016-05-26T19:25:50Z")
> [@captain\_video](#): > > 3x IK\*\*\* + War\*\*\* I was about to mention finding this. He ain’t messing around. Too bad I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/11 "2016-05-26T20:49:23Z")
I haven’t actually had any trouble beating that combo, as annoying as it is to play IK whack-a-mole. [](https://jowritesstuff.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/giphy-whackamole.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Cell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/cell/32/5524_2.png) [@Cell](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Cell)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/12 "2016-05-26T20:50:28Z")
Cutest… Thing… Ever ---
**Author:** ![Spherix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/spherix/32/2388_2.png) [@Spherix](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Spherix)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/13 "2016-05-26T23:11:22Z")
Everything needs a counter. What would you suggest instead as a method of countering looping transformers and extra turn spam? ---
**Author:** ![captain\_video](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@captain\_video](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/captain_video)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/14 "2016-05-27T00:10:29Z")
I’m not one of the people saying Frozen is OP, it’s just, well… I still HATE it! Anyone else who plays a control team is going to discover this sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![Lyya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/lyya/32/3650_2.png) [@Lyya](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Lyya)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/15 "2016-05-27T00:12:01Z")
The solution I think is to go against a Frozen team with either a cleanser, or a team that has some gimmick beyond looping (bats, etc). ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/16 "2016-05-27T00:13:32Z")
I just pull out my black beast and wave it at them. ---
**Author:** ![Pasa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@Pasa](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Pasa)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/17 "2016-05-27T00:22:26Z")
> [@Razlath](#): > > It is a status ailment that should have been removed not expanded. There are better ways to accomplish new and interesting game twists. The changes to poison are great, the addition of barrier awesome. Frozen just sucks to play against and is a coin toss between completely wrecking a run and having zero effect. It just depends on the board, where you are in your combo, etc. It doesn’t produce variety of gameplay, it removes choices and drags everything down to a crawl. The more I play with it in the game, the less I like it, and the more ridiculously cheap it feels. Back when it was just a preview we predicted it as a thing not really relevant in players hand while be supper annoying on defense. (IIRC one motivation was told to be a counter to goblin&co endless turns…) As it was on not so many troops the defense issue was not so violent – BD was first target anyway and usually not in front before died off, the other freezers a rare catch. And now when defense teams count hard and other aspects require way more battles fought we get a full regiment of new freeze troops to get on defense teams. Not a prospect that looks fun by any means. ---
**Author:** ![Jayceknight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/jayceknight/32/1636_2.png) [@Jayceknight](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Jayceknight)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 5:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/18 "2016-05-27T05:30:20Z")
just use rocket goblin:grinning: ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 5:46am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/19 "2016-05-27T05:46:27Z")
Herdmaster is ready to show them some plague in return! ---
**Author:** ![Razlath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razlath/32/659_2.png) [@Razlath](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razlath)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 1:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438/20 "2016-05-27T13:46:26Z")
> [@Spherix](#): > > Everything needs a counter. What would you suggest instead as a method of countering looping transformers and extra turn spam? It doesn’t do anything to the most prolific “extra turn” crew in the game the goblins. Goblins also have an endless set of counters because apparently people can’t figure out how to slot them so they just keep making more. Last count I did you could field two full teams of cards that specifically counter goblins. As to transforming teams, the counter to them is the AI itself. Minus a lucky board layout and a lucky AI decision you can pretty much beat a transformation team with just about any competitive team you dream up. Frozen is unneeded once again. -Razlath [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen-i-hate-frozen/7438.md?page=2)