# How is Emporer Khorvash not nerfed yet **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [November 6, 2016, 1:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963 "2016-11-06T13:46:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Salibu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/salibu/32/23083_2.png) [@Salibu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Salibu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:46pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/1 "2016-11-06T13:46:14Z")
Here me out… Every card in this game…even OP ones like Mythics have a downside. Kohorvash has none. 1. His special completely drains 2 enemies and does TRUE damage…not just damage. 2. All 3 of his traits are bad ass. Even mythics have a trait that is situational or weak. 3. His mana costs is low for what it does 4. He gets stats like a tank and boosts to put him where u would anyway. 5. Hes OP even for a mythic…but hes legendary His damage needs to be changed to normal damage or he needs to have his mana requirement be like these mythics that are 25+ With all the unecessary nerfs they do…why has this gone on for so long? ---
**Author:** ![en9nhcet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/en9nhcet/32/1673_2.png) [@en9nhcet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/en9nhcet)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:51pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/2 "2016-11-06T13:51:37Z")
i think he needs to be buffed,i want his true damage to hit all enemies 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Salibu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/salibu/32/23083_2.png) [@Salibu](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Salibu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/3 "2016-11-06T13:53:59Z")
_facepalm_ ---
**Author:** ![Mufasha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/mufasha/32/1327_2.png) [@Mufasha](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Mufasha)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/4 "2016-11-06T13:56:08Z")
Because he can be counter easily. Truly OP cards have no counters other then luck and prayers. ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/5 "2016-11-06T13:57:28Z")
Another “Nerf Khorvash” thread. Use true damage. Deny him out mana. Use Manticore. Use your own Khorvash and do all of these at once. That’s all I can say. It doesn’t seem like the devs have any intentions to nerf him. I do, however agree with you. Khorvash needs to be nerfed. He presently is pretty much exactly a double Moloch with more usable colors and a better third trait. He has the same damage as a Moloch (unless that Moloch is draining 16-18 mana), but applies to half of the enemy team! One could argue that Moloch has the advantage of targeting, but there is a 50% chance that the target you want to hit gets hit anyway, because it covers half of the enemy team! He can also be used with the single most popular mana generator in the game, Valkyrie! Overall, I do agree with you. He does need a nerf. But, it seems that there is no intention to nerf him (to my knowledge) from the previous Khorvy nerf-threads. So, in the mean time, we just have to either use him ourselves or find a way to counter him. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/6 "2016-11-06T13:58:13Z")
Mate if you let khorvash fire off twice to kill 2 of your troops, he is not your problem, your team is. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/7 "2016-11-06T13:59:59Z")
Against 2xmant bd and dB team if you are stuck choosing between khorvash and moloch you’d pick moloch every single time. ---
**Author:** ![Fifthelement](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/fifthelement/32/8383_2.png) [@Fifthelement](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Fifthelement)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/8 "2016-11-06T14:03:54Z")
> [@Kurokazna](#): > > One could argue that Moloch has the advantage of targeting, but there is a 50% chance that the target you want to hit gets hit anyway, because it covers half of the enemy team! unless you play vs 2 x manti teams which have DB and BD hidden in 3rd and 4th spots exactly for that reason … so lets focus on the right topic here 😃 what Salibu wanted to say is - WE NEED MANTICORE NERFED (again, I’ll repeat what I said days ago, and what the forum in general seem to have concluded after days of debating, remove impervious, or remove empowered.). The truth is, you don’t have to face EK in every second 3 trophy games out there, and as it was pointed out - you can actually counter him, in more than one way. Unlike manticore, tsk. ---
**Author:** ![en9nhcet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/en9nhcet/32/1673_2.png) [@en9nhcet](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/en9nhcet)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/9 "2016-11-06T14:10:01Z")
naoo not my love manti \<3 [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/gemsofwar/original/3X/e/9/e9f48849bafb4c14acc7bd6c02df8e51b05fe974.jpeg "God of War: Ascension Walkthrough (Boss 4) - The Manticore") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5NCswWqOvw) ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/10 "2016-11-06T14:15:40Z")
> [@Fifthelement](#): > > The truth is, you don’t have to face EK in every second 3 trophy games out there No, it’s every second and not every third. Every team that’s not Manti/Manti DB BD has a Khorvash in it, unless you have forgotten what we were dealing with before that team. > [@Fifthelement](#): > > you can actually counter him You can counter Manticore by outplaying it, fairly easily. The only loss I have to Manti/Manti/DB/BD is because I accidentally took a Rowanne farming team into it. Khorvash’s hardest counter is Khorvash himself. ---
**Author:** ![XLS78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/b2d939/32.png) [@XLS78](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/XLS78)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/11 "2016-11-06T14:48:53Z")
My defense team has no Manticore or Khorvash in it. COME AT ME BRO 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/12 "2016-11-06T14:49:29Z")
I do. Regularly. And I have yet to lose to you. ---
**Author:** ![XLS78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/b2d939/32.png) [@XLS78](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/XLS78)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/13 "2016-11-06T14:57:58Z")
Tick tock - RNGesus is just letting you get complacent ---
**Author:** ![Kurokazna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/kurokazna/32/11246_2.png) [@Kurokazna](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Kurokazna)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/14 "2016-11-06T14:59:09Z")
I’ll just take the two trophy match to go against you next time you show up. Give it time. ---
**Author:** ![Strat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Strat](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Strat)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/15 "2016-11-06T18:57:45Z")
> [@Salibu](#): > > why has this gone on for so long? Its a good question. I think because EVERY SINGLE ability/trait/stat EK has is like a 4 out of 5. So nothing completely stands out as OP, but taken all together it obvious he way too good and one of the best troops in the game. ---
**Author:** ![DonBoba](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/donboba/32/25457_2.png) [@DonBoba](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/DonBoba)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/16 "2016-11-06T19:24:36Z")
Only nerf that wouldn’t destroy EK as a troop would be decreasing his skull reduction from 50% to 25%. ---
**Author:** ![Eika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/eika/32/103088_2.png) [@Eika](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Eika)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/18 "2016-11-06T19:27:33Z")
Bunni’Nogs loves Emporer Khorvash! Nom Nom 😅 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/19 "2016-11-06T19:42:33Z")
> [@Mufasha](#): > > Because he can be counter easily. he has no counter dedicated to him. mana draining & mana denying can be applied to every unit as a ‘counter’ in that manner, thats not a counter to this particular unit, thats just a way to stop any unit and there is still no way to counter getting mana drained as in to prevent it 😞 i need a drain-immunity trait please 😭 ---
**Author:** ![killerman3333](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/killerman3333/32/4068_2.png) [@killerman3333](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/killerman3333)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/20 "2016-11-06T20:18:20Z")
> [@Annaerith](#): > > he has no counter dedicated to him. Bunni’nog, giant toadstool, gob chomper, gnoll, amira, any silence or mana drain troop. These are not what i would call dedicated counters, however they do a good job of trying to do something, gnoll being really strong against khorvash ---
**Author:** ![Annaerith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/annaerith/32/13840_2.png) [@Annaerith](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Annaerith)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 10:08pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963/21 "2016-11-06T22:08:42Z")
ill accept amira and… gnoll 😂 but those are offensive counter-attack troops there is no counter-defense troop/mechanics what i mean is for most of more bothersome mechanics we have a trait that prevents from them so some troops can just be and already making the other troop not so op like if u face _high attack_ troop u place _gorgotha_ there and its countered when u face _devour_ u put _indigestible/impervious_ when u face _mana burn_ u put on _mana shield_, etc im missing that for **mana drain immunity** 😠 (also trait redirecting **true damage** into normal damage, or halving it or totally immune to it would be really cool) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-is-emporer-khorvash-not-nerfed-yet/14963.md?page=2)