# How gems of war is still on the wrong road **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay Chat (PlayStation/Xbox)\ **Created:** [March 2, 2017, 12:10pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726 "2017-03-02T12:10:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ashasekayi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/ashasekayi/32/61090_2.png) [@Ashasekayi](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Ashasekayi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/82 "2017-11-09T19:26:12Z")
> [@Maxx](#): > > I put some of the blame on the game for this because there is no reason to put up a raksha team except to be nice. I put 100% of the blame on the devs for this particular situation. They stated that one of the goals of the event system is to create PVP defense diversity. Yet, they don’t incentivize using event troops on defense. It’s madness. Everyone with even a little game industry experience knows that you can’t rely on player benevolence for a core feature like PVP. Just like life, you’re going to get a mixture of giving people, ignorant people, highly competitive people and plan out spiteful people. A dev should never let the health of the central game mode rely on the kindness of strangers. ---
**Author:** ![efh313](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/efh313/32/34349_2.png) [@efh313](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/efh313)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/83 "2017-11-09T19:31:55Z")
> [@Ashasekayi](#): > > A dev should never let the health of the central game mode rely on the kindness of strangers. Pretty Kitty spittin’ TRUTH!!! 😸 ---
**Author:** ![Vangor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/vangor/32/31404_2.png) [@Vangor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Vangor)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/84 "2017-11-09T19:32:32Z")
Lyka bauss! ---
**Author:** ![Venar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/venar/32/36634_2.png) [@Venar](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Venar)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/85 "2017-11-10T00:05:58Z")
Just give useless visual twink awards. Like , you get a special shiny border on a troop card if it defends you kingdom X amount of times… Or , as suggested time and time again, have a system that makes it that you can’t be offered an opponent if the team has a troop in it that you faced in one of you last 3 match. ---
**Author:** ![Razzagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.gemsofwar.com/razzagor/32/50037_2.png) [@Razzagor](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Razzagor)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/86 "2017-11-10T01:11:03Z")
> [@Venar](#): > > Like , you get a special shiny border on a troop card if it defends you kingdom X amount of times… 🧐 I’ll chase these “shinys” as a pureblood greyhound chases the mechanic rabbit in a race, dear gentleman. Would you like some 🍵? But in all seriousness, even visual rewards coudn’t be enough i believe. As the game took a lot of changes for economic’s sake some people are chasing the most valuable “carrots” lately… Personally i still think it’s about time to use the “stick” a little and maybe try using some restrictions every week as i suggested in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/87 "2017-11-10T04:24:32Z")
> [@HKdirewolf](#): > > I applaud the well-written post, and I think some of us here will agree with you. It’s some stuff we have mentioned before. I wish the Devs would either take control of Defend teams, or like you said remove it. Some people around these forums especially want troops nerfed because they get used too much. No matter what they do, this is always going to pretty much be an issue. Check out the ‘3 New Ideas’ thread, I think it might bring some sanity back to this game, and yeah cause the way it is now is definitely on the ‘wrong road’… Or at least ‘wrong’ if you want to retain players instead of just catering to new ones… ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/88 "2017-11-10T04:25:25Z")
> [@Ashasekayi](#): > > I put 100% of the blame on the devs for this particular situation. They stated that one of the goals of the event system is to create PVP defense diversity. Yet, they don’t incentivize using event troops on defense. It’s madness. Hey check out the ‘3 New Ideas’ thread it addresses this type of stuff specifically… ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:26am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/89 "2017-11-10T04:26:26Z")
LOL!!! (that ‘arise’ poster post lol…) ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/90 "2017-11-10T04:28:22Z")
> [@Antasius](#): > > What about a random element to PvP (?) As in the opponent player’s cards you face are ones owned by them, but randomly chosen from a pool by the game itself. > > Then the more leveled up and fully traited cards you have will be the most important factor for defensive PvP play, and all the cards you own will matter. Win, win. Hey check out the recent ‘3 New Ideas’ thread just posted, it addresses these issues but is more workable, because the idea of forcing ‘randomness’ won’t work because there’s little/no chance of synergy in randomness. People should still be able to ‘tailor-make’ a team, just not be able to use the same cheesy op units over and over. ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/91 "2017-11-10T04:30:44Z")
> [@Jainus](#): > > Between core conceptual problems, latency and disconnects, bugs and meta repetition, for me true pvp would likely be a disaster here, as well as a humongous sink of development effort. Excuse the cheesy ‘net’ lingo, but - WUT - ?? We’re living in a time of 100s of players online at the same time playing mmos fps’s. I’m assuming you’ll give enough credit to computers nowadays that they would be able to run an ‘actual player’ pvp match in gems, lol… (All the puzzle quests are available and they all have online pvp, and these are ‘old’ games. and No they don’t have problems on the technical side) Real person pvp would be great but ultimately it’s the op leet cards that ruin it, real-player pvp or not. Think we all agree on that. ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:33am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/92 "2017-11-10T04:33:35Z")
> [@ogunther](#): > > Due to the complexity of what that would require to accomplish and the amount of code that would need to be rewritten, the chances of that ever happening are slim to none. Except all 3 prior Puzzle Quest games (and Puzzle Chronicles, a ‘no-name’ puzzle game by a ‘no-name’ dev, that somehow also managed to have online pvp, lol…) all have online pvp. There are no technical issues and really, would it be that hard to implement it here? I would to assume that no, it probably wouldn’t be so hard. And if a person doesn’t want to make that assumption, at least -don’t- assume that it would be (that hard). These guys are charging 50 dollars a pop for silly things in-game, let’s try to stop thinking of this as a lone guy in his basement making a game single-handedly. lol… ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:37am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/93 "2017-11-10T04:37:36Z")
Hey check out the ‘3 New Ideas’ thread it’s specifically regarding this, thanks ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/94 "2017-11-10T04:41:17Z")
> [@beanie42](#): > > trying to throw them under the bus and “edumacate them” with your infinite wisdom is silly. Ultimately, if you don’t like the direction GoW is going, then go build a better game… lol he was trying to make a point to the general players so that they might ‘encourage’ the devs to change the direction of the game. Ironically, the only ‘silly’ part here is you stating ‘go make a better game’, as if him being a player in a game that’s already ‘mostly made’ doesn’t allow him to have some constructive criticism in the direction it’s heading. His title was quite fitting because he included the word ‘direction’, meaning it’s a path that is ongoing and will have many updates. If the players don’t make a point of showing they don’t like that ‘path’, then the devs will continue along it. ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:42am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/95 "2017-11-10T04:42:58Z")
> [@wskill](#): > > I have had a small private messaging session with Sirrian to little avail Actually, as some mentioned already, how the heck did you manage that? Hmm… I have quite a few (supposedly, “great”, lol… relative to my opinion of course) ideas that would be workable down to the last detail. How in the world did you manage to get him to talk to you on that level?.. ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/96 "2017-11-10T04:44:38Z")
> [@htismaqe](#): > > I honestly don’t know why anybody would object to getting rid of the defense mechanic altogether. I’m not saying I’m all for it but let’s face it, the defense mechanic with the current AI is completely useless. > > Just let us invade random teams, like Explore mode. Problem solved. check out the ‘3 New Ideas’ thread you might like it… ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/97 "2017-11-10T04:47:10Z")
> [@HKdirewolf](#): > > As Sirrian said before there’s no “one way” to fix this issue. Then I hope Sirrian checks out the ‘3 New Ideas’ thread, strange he thinks like that when he probably had those ideas intended when he made the game… (ideas specifically regarding having to attack ‘each’ kingdom and by extension each kingdom would have their own units for the most part and possibly buffs/debuffs to attackers based on their kingdom) I somehow would think he’s too smart to say ‘ridiculously op units are in the game that’s that there’s nothing we can do about it…’ who knows… ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/98 "2017-11-10T04:53:38Z")
> [@KrudlerTheHorse](#): > > I feel in game design that mechanics adjustments tend to oscillate between over/under-powered ultimately settling on what is “best” for the enjoyment of the broader audience. Unfortunately I think what is ultimately almost always settled on is profit, and they use techniques designed to get max profit out of ‘whales’ and new players. This ‘direction’ we’re seeing shows they are making decisions based on that, vs the long-term viability aspect of the game. I believe there’s still hope though so I would ask you check out that ‘3 New Ideas’ thread and see what you think. This game has tons of potential there’s nothing like it, I’m really at a loss to understand why they’re choosing the ‘quick and dirty mobile’ route vs the long term potential of more consistent players. ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:55am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/99 "2017-11-10T04:55:31Z")
> [@wskill](#): > > -PVP will thus change into fighting players kingdom teams based on such troops that thereby STILL have customization but also much better balance because OP ridiculous combinations can no longer be created. lol, check out the ‘3 New Ideas’ thread of late, … ---
**Author:** ![Delinquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Delinquent](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Delinquent)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/100 "2017-11-10T04:58:26Z")
I don’t think they’re that sophisticated in their designs. They oftentimes seem to not understand how end-gamers will use troops to good or bad effect. I think they just aren’t fully aware/appreciative of what’s going on. It seems like the game is on the decline and it’s a combination of changes to the game logic from the Unity port (mana/RNG inflation) and a really bad UI overhaul. I don’t think there’s much more to it than that. ---
**Author:** ![Viridian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3ab097/32.png) [@Viridian](https://community.gemsofwar.com/u/Viridian)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 5:00am UTC](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726/101 "2017-11-10T05:00:58Z")
> [@Delinquent](#): > > Your last half dozen posts have been about Bone Dragon. Bone Dragon being OP is a separate issue from the Events system. It’s possible for the Events system to be good but that to be obscured b/c of one really OP troop. In fact, it’s possible that the Events system is magnifying the broken-ness of Bone Dragon (b/c BD scales off Armor and Armor is boosted by the Events). Like his post just before yours now, the unit is a technicality, the premise (issue) is that whichever unit is ‘op’ at the time, will be constantly used in pvp… Anyways, check out the ‘3 New Ideas’ thread if I haven’t replied to you already about that lol… [Previous page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726.md?page=4) [Next page](https://community.gemsofwar.com/t/how-gems-of-war-is-still-on-the-wrong-road/20726.md?page=6)