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How are Explore teams generated?

Usually when I get a gnome in explore with no treasure bag, there’s two or three gnomes on the enemy team.

Dungeon bosses shouldn’t be appearing in Explore. There’s the one “Super Gorgotha” (rainbow mana) but he’s in the advanced questline of Khaziel (I believe) so he’s eligible (but still not the dungeon boss Gorgotha).

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Yep, also lucky enough to get it right now.

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It’s from “Gorgotha Returned - Gorgotha Evolved” battle, from questline which include Rock Worm/Rock Worm/Ancient Horror/King Gorgotha, with Frost Giant replacing first Rock Worm for “Event troops” rule

Here’s another example.

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This is from “Shadows Gather - Warlock Minions” battle, from questline which include Ancient Horror/Golem/Acolyte/Warlock, with The Wild Queen replacing Golem for “Owned Mythic” rule.

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I see imps very often as the replacement troop too, so is it an “owned mythic or imp” rule?

Sometimes one of the quest missions have one of the imps appear on the enemy so they can appear. For example, Spooky Imp in Ghulvania along with Draakulis.

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Only thing I dislike about explore is a fully traited Undine cause his third trait slows down me cheating a lot :sleeping:

Since I have this thread bookmarked for my own use now, I want to update it.

I’ve seen random All-Seeing-Eye troops in Explore this week, so I think the rules are now:

  • The teams are the Quest and Challenge teams from the Explore kingdom.
    • Yes, Zaejin has some teams that look like Vault teams. No, you do not get Vault treasures.
  • One troop on the team will be replaced by ONE of the following:
    • A troop from this week’s event chest.
    • A faction troop from the faction associated with this week’s event kingdom.
    • A random mythic you own.
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FWIW I have seen mythics in explore that I don’t own. Example: I got Plague twice during the last gnome event. Took a screenshot second time bc it was also first time I’ve seen 3 mythics in an explore, which I think breaks all the above-stated rules. I don’t remember what kingdom I was in but likely Urskaya, I think I was farming Lava to have some for Umbraxis

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It doesn’t break the rules. One of them is if they appear during story missions or challenges and uh… the last story mission of Sin of Maraj is the battle against Plague, War, Famine and Death so it isn’t odd to see them there even if you don’t own them. It’s like running into Gargantuar in Shentang without owning him or meeting any of the other requirements because he appears in a challenge.

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OK, thanks that makes sense. And Sin is another Lava kingdom. So I guess I must have actually been there, and then it looks like War was replaced by sacrifice. I probably switched to Urskaya after getting this lineup :wink:

Yes, this is why people report troops as bugged. Unless you have a very good memory, the game doesn’t give you the tools to figure out if the troops you see in Explore are correct.

The conventional wisdom is “explore is the kingdom’s troops”, but this is only part true. Questlines often use non-kingdom troops, and sometimes even go so far as using Boss troops.

That’s actually what made me remember to update and led me to investigate why All-Seeing Eye troops were haunting me. Someone reported “I see treasure gnomes in Zaejin” again as a bug in Discord. So I put that as a separate “yes, this happens and is not a bug” bullet point. They aren’t Zaejin troops, but they are part of that questline.

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OK I’m bumping this with a puzzle:

Today while I was doing events, I noticed I fought a battle in Whitehelm with a Xerodar in the party. That makes no sense given the current rules I know:

  • ASE is associated with Darkstone and faction troops aren’t even in event chests.
  • No faction has a mythic.
  • Whitehelm has no quests with Xerodar.

What happened?

It isn’t a week in which the troop is buffed either. Xerodar isn’t Raksha or from Pridelands so that makes it even more confusing unless Xerodar was slipped into a story quest or challenge without any of us realizing? No clue otherwise.

I’ve also been seeing Xerodar everywhere. Last week (grosh nak week) several times in swords edge, this week (forest of thorns) in SE, mist of scales and dragons claw.

Also last week and this week I finally got screenshots in Urskaya of multiple mythics (famine, plague) and mythics I don’t own (plague, queeen aurora)

EDIT: double checked Urskaya story and Queen Aurora appears in Sentinel class unlock and Plague appears in story too. So I guess this is all fine nothing to see here.

the random troop can be any rarity from any kingdom. i noticed it when i was doing explore in zaejin and faced the goblin teams. tho event troops still have higher chance to appear as the random

I just double checked Urskaya story and Aurora shows up in Sentinel class unlock and Plague is in story too. Post edited. So nothing to see here just me being confused again :man_shrugging:

It’s pretty tough to figure out what troops are eligible because questlines can pull in stuff from anywhere. I have a tool somewhere that simulates the encounters to figure out which places have the highest concentration of colors, I’ll have to double-check it looks at all questlines.

Come to think of it, just producing “a list of all possible troop encounters” is probably useful.

Yeah even if it’s “all troops” eligible to pop up sometimes the thing that is odd about Xerodar specifically is I can’t remember ever seeing any other faction troop, from ASE or any faction, in explore anywhere. I realize it’s all RNG/confirmation bias/recall bias but I’ve hit Xerodar 8 -10 times in the last 2 weeks alone and don’t think I’ve ever seen another faction troop at any point recently or previously. Doesn’t “feel” right which of course doesnt mean anything but it’s odd to me

Darkstone week was feb 25th to mar 3rd. It was also vault weekend if i remember correctly. Maybe you saw xerodar more often because you did lots of explores that week and you paid more attention to xerodar since you remembered this thread?

Green golem showed up as the random troop for me in pridelands explore this week

Probabaly :wink: good to know the other factions do show up. Thank you